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welcome back my friends back to another

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amazing edition of the midnight hour

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i'm happy to say that some of you may be

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actually listening to the midnight hour

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show at midnight that's right

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midnight on the fringe fm

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that's when the midnight hour show takes

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place

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i'm so happy to be here with my new

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friends on the fringe fm

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you know lately

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um

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i've been going down all kinds of rabbit

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holes but i wanted to get back to

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some of the foundational cases of

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ufology

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and

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some of the cases that are the most

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credible

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i wanted to bring on someone

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as a guest who could talk about

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those most credible cases those cases

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that actually have evidence

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and are very convincing and

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some of the best cases of ufos or alien

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visitations

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that we have in that ufo file

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and

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with so many cases that just are

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incredible

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and fakes and frauds we've been over

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this folks you know how i feel about

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that

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i wanted to get back to some of the good

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cases right let's let's flip the coin

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here and get away from the negativity of

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in those cases that got me interested in

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those cases that i felt yeah there's

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something to this

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because there's some good cases folks

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there is some good evidence out there

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of both

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alien visitation maybe alien crash

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landings that our government covered up

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these are the things

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that got me into this like i really

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don't want to spend my time

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just beating up on all the frauds and

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fakes and [\h__\h] artists i i really i

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want to present to my listeners some of

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the good cases and why they're good

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cases and

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some of the good evidence and why this

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is good evidence

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yeah i think i get sidetracked with all

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the bullshitter

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to once in a while remind myself there

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are good cases and there's good

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researchers out there that have good

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information about some of this stuff

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you know it's kind of like trying to

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crawl through a landmine

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just trying to get to the good stuff

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and researching all these things

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to bring to some of the good cases some

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of the best cases some of the you know

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cases with evidence

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and so tonight we're going to talk to

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william

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all right first i'd like to see

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that i really decided to look into what

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was going on or what what was not going

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not for any festival not for

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fun but simply to attack

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and look at the files and books and

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everything they have

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all the documentation and uh spent three

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uh between semesters and

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something that is transpiring

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no one knows what it is

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to be out there for it to be just

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non-existent so uh that kind of turned

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you know now i've made some uh

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ill-advised attempts to work with some

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the local mufon group and another ems

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data group those fell by the wayside so

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and i hate to say it but like i've never

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heard anyone speak positively about

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their experience with that group what we

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get is people saying hey

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i have somebody that has medals can we

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get it analyzed and they don't ever get

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back to the investigator that seems

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crazy to me if you want the truth of

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this thing and here's somebody that can

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get medals from a witness

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why would they ignore the guy

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and there's a hundred other examples

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that i could give so you had a similar

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just bad experience trying to try to be

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a part of that group

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well i i've gone to some meetings in the

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last couple years not on a consistent

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basis but every so often it would go

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i was kind of aware that the the group

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of people that were going weren't really

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you had the typical move home member

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which is basically white man over 50.

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and then you have the other half of the

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crowd would tend to be more diverse

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younger individuals more women

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people were that were a little more

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social media or internet savvy

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and they clearly had a disconnect

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and then as a as an overall team

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a scientific grounded examination of the

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phenomenon was not in the cars

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they were very speculative they had

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features like alien of the month

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uh where they were talking about a

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different alien

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without bringing actually any

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this actual alien exists it was just

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random speculation

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every meeting spent talking about

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the results of investigations

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their reports it wasn't it wasn't any

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uh elected me their vice president that

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lasted six weeks because in that six

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week period i was really pushing for a

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to a more scientific examination and

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they that group was not

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open to that at all so i would always

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seem strange considering that's what

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they're supposed to be doing as far as i

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that's i think it's not the mission

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statement yeah pretty much yeah

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so uh no they're not following the

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mission statement at all no um

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which is unfortunate because there are

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some individuals in the group that

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do advocate that that approach

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and not the signs at the end all be all

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but it's a little less

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speculative um

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but uh that was not going to happen and

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one of the board of directors of mufon

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tom whitmore lives here in san antonio

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and he's clearly not a grounded first

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person he's uh

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he's got an agenda i don't know what the

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agenda is but clearly my efforts were

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uh but it had with his agenda so there's

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a lot of controversy with this group

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from uh you know i heard they sold their

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files to uh bob bigelow at one point and

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then these were supposed to be

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confidential files so that's you know

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like if people are going to investigate

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something and you tell the witnesses

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this is a confidential report for our

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organization and then you sell that

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report to a third party

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i think there's some legal and at least

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problems there and then honestly they

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lost me when they had

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secret space conference with corey goode

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oh yeah who is the other guy

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michael doctor michael sala which i

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don't know where that guy got his

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doctorate at but it seems like he's got

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you know my impression of the

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organization is that

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and i'm told i have many good friends

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that work for the organization but

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always at the local levels there are

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lots of local groups i can think of

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uh mufon in arizona los angeles mufon

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there are local groups that do some good

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work they do the best they can

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considering they get no support from the

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higher organization but the higher you

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go in the organization

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more the problems creep in and we're all

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aware of the problems and the symposium

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that year

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was those problems were on display

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they're clearly looking for membership

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so it seemed like they went the angle of

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let's let's have a cast of characters

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speaking at our symposium that is

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clearly going to bring in people

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which means bringing in membership uh

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yeah that was a horrible spectacle yeah

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i guess at the end of the day it's about

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how many how many membership

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packages they get filled out and that

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and checks you know because i know a

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bunch of people that kind of joined and

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then just never really did anything they

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just sent in their money

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and you get some kind of you know

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some kind of certificate calling you a

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field investigator or something like

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that you know and like you know it's

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just weird the whole thing is strange to

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and i i just don't even follow what they

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and uh i'm with him yeah but i i keep

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track of what the local groups go doing

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you know in a week in a roundabout way

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through friends in the community uh i

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kind of i'm aware of what's going on

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with the higher organizations um

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but you're right it's clearly looking

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for membership and

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people join roof on whether on a very

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basic level and just put their money in

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there and then they get no return um

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and there's lots of there are field

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investigators

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um how many are highly qualified i don't

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know

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um the last i think was last december

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i was speaking to a friend that works

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for the houston mufon chapter uh a

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grounded scientific

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guy high integrity nice gentleman she

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told me there were eight fuel

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investigators for the entire state of

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texas

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eight

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wow that's pretty

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that's a big yeah i said my first

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thought was okay really

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i mean we have a we have a relatively

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large civilian organization and there

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are eight field investigators in texas

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and i am not going to assume all eight

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of those people are highly qualified

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yeah absolutely so i guess you just

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decided to go it alone and uh you you're

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probably better off right because you

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don't have to answer to anybody you just

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pretty much

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investigating this stuff you know you

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just kind of

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so tell me

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you know we've been spending a lot of

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time on my show just kind of busting

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frauds and hoaxers and and fakes and uh

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you know i think there's a place for

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that and somebody has to do it and it's

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and i always seem like you know i know

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there's others doing it but it just it

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just seems like i've been spending a

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great deal of my time

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doing that kind of stuff lately

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which i think has some value because

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people need to be informed that this

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person is a fraud and here's why

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but i wanted to get back to more

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credible cases

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and i know you're really really

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interested in roswell why don't you tell

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us some of the

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of the latest for roswell because i

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don't think that most people are up to

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date

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and i know that a lot of people are

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talking about that you know race racing

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the undertaker because all the witnesses

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are slowly dying off and there's not

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much left there

341
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but why don't you tell us

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about anything new or or what are some

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developments lately

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well you know to be really honest to be

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brutally honest there's nothing really

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new um

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the fact i can't i cannot think of a

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first-hand witness that's still alive

349
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and there's been no

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recovery of any kind of documentation

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um

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and this is my personal take and my

353
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personal take is pretty close to my

354
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professional take uh there's a core

355
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there's a core of

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evidence

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first-hand testimony from the military

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personnel that was there at the air base

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that cooperates

360
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the individuals cooperate each other

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uh the reaction of the military

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was interesting to say the least yeah i

363
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always thought it was great that they

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lied

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what i guess three times first they said

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it was that we covered a flying saucer

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then they said no it's just a weather

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balloon then we have the project mo

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mogul explanation so they've given three

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explanations so far the government as to

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what crashed there so i don't know why

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we should believe them because they

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change our story three times and i have

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a feeling they're going to change it

375
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again eventually

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yeah that's you hit the nail ahead i

377
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mean the mughal balloon scenario it has

378
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no water

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uh primarily because

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uh the dates don't match up the

381
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documentation shows there was no launch

382
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of a weather balloon

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during the dates in question

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so that kind of cast by the wayside

385
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the initial explanation was that it was

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a weather balloon that's so that's the

387
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explanation that graeme put forth over

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at

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carswell air force base or cars royal

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airfield excuse me

391
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uh this is pre-air force and um that

392
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doesn't hold water because why would you

393
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ship

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a weather balloon to right pat or to

395
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right field to have a reverse engineer

396
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it's a weather balloon

397
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and two

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you have high quality qualified

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intelligence officers

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at the only atomically armed base in the

401
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what a weather balloon is and the other

402
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thing always strange to me is that the

403
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debris field

404
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for a weather balloon would not be acres

405
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wide it just wouldn't be i mean you'd

406
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have some rubber and you'd have some you

407
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know you have rubber from the actual

408
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balloon maybe you know

409
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a radar reflector and that's it not

410
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not truckloads of debris

411
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no no the amount of material they that

412
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the witnesses described

413
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was too voluminous to be uh

414
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to be a weather balloon um

415
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you know

416
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and having said that that none of this

417
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gets into the extraterrestrial we can't

418
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prove

419
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divisionally it was an alien spacecraft

420
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but it's that that explanation is still

421
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on the table there's no other

422
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explanation that really fits the data

423
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um well how do you how do you feel about

424
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all the descriptions of people

425
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you know i know

426
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there's like you know what is it don

427
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schmidt or a few other people that have

428
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books out that

429
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say they've got witnesses that's all

430
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bodies or even a live alien how do you

431
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feel about those kind of witnesses and

432
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that kind of testimony

433
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well i know john and tom carrey have

434
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been chasing and finding second-hand

435
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witnesses as much as possible they're at

436
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the point where they're they're

437
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investigating and interviewing the

438
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families of the firsthand witnesses and

439
00:17:01,509 --> 00:17:00,399
that's pretty much all they can do and

440
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,519
they're doing a great job doing that

441
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:03,600
they're trying to turn over every stone

442
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um

443
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the individuals they claim they sell

444
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bodies uh there's military personnel

445
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that claim they did

446
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so that's that's generally firsthand

447
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testimony

448
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so on face value i would tend to believe

449
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those people um because again it was

450
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but i won't say definitively that that's

451
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the case because again we don't have a

452
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body

453
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uh but i i lean strongly toward the

454
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extraterrestrial

455
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but and that's kind of what we're living

456
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with right now so um

457
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,320
unfortunately so far back in time uh

458
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everyone's passing away and like i think

459
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don smith

460
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said that to me roswell last year

461
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they're chasing the undertaker they're

462
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chasing time because time is the enemy

463
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everyone's passing away and this is an

464
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event that happened 72 years ago yeah

465
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what is it his book uh i think it's

466
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called children of roswell

467
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i think very interesting because

468
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you know i just don't one of the things

469
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:00,960
that always got me about roswell is all

470
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the death bed confession stuff

471
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because i just don't believe that so

472
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many people

473
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in their last days on earth would

474
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suddenly make up a story about seeing

475
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alien bodies

476
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and he seems to find people whose

477
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children said that's exactly what some

478
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:17,840
of these military guys said that they

479
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wanted their children to know we're not

480
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alone in the universe i saw the bodies

481
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it was they were extraterrestrials they

482
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were definitely not human i just don't

483
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believe that that more than one person i

484
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mean it's multiple deathbed confessions

485
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like that would just be made up like

486
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it just doesn't

487
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it doesn't yeah you have nothing to lose

488
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so you're not gonna be penalized by the

489
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government

490
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for your uh violating your security

491
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clearance or your your your oath of

492
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security or secrecy because you're about

493
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to pass away so

494
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you know it kind of is what it is i have

495
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a pretty high standard when i believe i

496
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i really stick to first-hand testimony

497
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that's it i really do i don't i don't i

498
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,360
don't even attack anything other

499
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,760
anything other first-hand but

500
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um

501
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:08,960
when you have nothing to lose why lie

502
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:11,919
it's like um an individual who's prison

503
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he's been in prison for 40 years he's a

504
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couple of years from dying

505
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and

506
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someone a lawyer will try to find

507
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evidence for another case and interview

508
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:25,360
this gentleman or this person and

509
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,960
that test when he holds a lot of water

510
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,400
it may be pretty legitimate because this

511
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guy's not gonna lose

512
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he's in prison anyway he's already there

513
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,679
there's no reason to lie he has nothing

514
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,840
to lose there's no motivation to lie as

515
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opposed to

516
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an individual and we know a lot of

517
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individuals in the community that

518
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:48,549
yeah they're selling something

519
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,360
yeah

520
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,039
there's an agenda they're selling

521
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,960
something or they're trying to latch on

522
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to a

523
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,240
case to make a day for themselves or

524
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they're trying to keep invitations going

525
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:59,360
to the conferences

526
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,960
yeah there's clearly motivation there

527
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,400
and there's a lot of that in the

528
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:03,600
community

529
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,080
yeah i just said recently that i i go

530
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,000
down a rabbit a lot of rabbit holes

531
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,320
lately but unfortunately most of those

532
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:12,240
rabbit holes are filled with [\h__\h]

533
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,400
and uh it's really you know if you're

534
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,919
out there looking for good information

535
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,440
it's discouraging because you have to

536
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:20,000
separate so much crap from anything

537
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:21,039
decent

538
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,480
and it's discouraging that's why i was

539
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,000
saying i wanted to have you on my show

540
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,840
because i've been following you and i

541
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,440
know you're very evidence-based and i

542
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,200
want to get back to that

543
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,120
so but besides roswell are there any

544
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,720
other cases that you have a big interest

545
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,640
in that you think are very credible or

546
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,200
have some meat on the bones

547
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:39,120
well you know the the coral landing case

548
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:46,310
ben moss and tony angiola have done a

549
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,360
lot of

550
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:50,000
uh they made a herculean effort to

551
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,000
re-examine that case it turns out zamora

552
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:54,000
is not the only witness

553
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,440
so he's gone from a single witness to a

554
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:57,200
multiple witness case which adds a lot

555
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,400
of strength to it

556
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,640
unfortunately the three witnesses that

557
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:03,039
they found they're not able to find them

558
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,400
because these are three individuals that

559
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,880
called the police station in socorro to

560
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,880
report the craft unfortunately that

561
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,720
policeman didn't take down their names

562
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,559
or any contact information

563
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:14,240
but

564
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,200
phone call appeared in the fbi report

565
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,960
filed by

566
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:22,640
drawing a blank i think it's richard

567
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,159
holder the fbi agent signed the case

568
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,840
so

569
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,840
that that call occurred that's not what

570
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,440
he was given unfortunately because they

571
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:33,200
coughed up the ball we can't find these

572
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,480
people and we couldn't we could have

573
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,480
found them then but everybody drove them

574
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,720
all then from the air force to

575
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,120
coral lorenzen and apro to

576
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:43,280
uh allen heineck they all dropped the

577
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,480
ball they all could have stopped these

578
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,919
people out because the core was a tiny

579
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:48,000
place you could have found these people

580
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:48,880
they were

581
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,720
of this craft whatever it was but

582
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,320
that didn't happen so that case has

583
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,720
gotten stronger um

584
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,159
there are a few other ones uh i could

585
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,640
think of level land in the 50s in texas

586
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,760
um

587
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,919
there was a multiple witness

588
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:05,679
radar visual in

589
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,360
england back in 56 in the same area as

590
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:12,000
rendersome forest back in 1980 but this

591
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,679
it had nothing to do with that case it

592
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,640
just happened to be in the same

593
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,240
geographical area

594
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,159
but those are all multiple witness cases

595
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,559
with with instrumentality

596
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,080
uh they're trained observers which

597
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,600
doesn't make them perfect but it makes

598
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,960
them more

599
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,200
informed about what's up in the air or

600
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,960
what's not up to the air

601
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,880
so those are some strong cases but you

602
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,960
have to find those cases among

603
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,440
the hundreds of others that

604
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:36,880
you know i have no evidence no

605
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:39,520
documentation no single witness

606
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,799
whether the bunk door there's a bunch of

607
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,280
red flags you're exactly right to find

608
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,640
the

609
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,720
real high quality

610
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,880
cases that have some level of

611
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,640
different different lines of evidence

612
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,000
you have to swim through all these other

613
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:54,080
chaff that's

614
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,760
bs so it's it's it's discouraging and

615
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,400
now i have to you know watch what rabbit

616
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:01,760
holes i go down so i don't get

617
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,360
surrounded by [\h__\h] constantly

618
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,679
i get you man

619
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,480
yeah

620
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,919
i'm with him

621
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:10,960
okay

622
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,840
so i i heard you on another show talking

623
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,760
about the bob lazar case and a lot of my

624
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,840
listeners may not know this but

625
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,520
when i was growing up that was the case

626
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,120
that really got me interested and

627
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,520
involved and excited and like man here's

628
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,360
proof this guy worked on the flying

629
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,679
saucers they can't they can't lie

630
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,840
anymore you know and we're going to find

631
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,480
out the truth and then i even found a

632
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:34,559
witness which

633
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:37,600
apparently flew into area 51 she worked

634
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,760
at egng with uh with bob lazar and i

635
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,440
went wow that's awesome so that's

636
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,039
another

637
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,159
and then it turns out that uh

638
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:50,320
bob at least said that he never heard of

639
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,440
that person

640
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:53,679
but i verified that she indeed worked at

641
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,039
egng so all the stuff with lazar is

642
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,679
crazy because you know

643
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,000
if if he was lying then he would just

644
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,080
say yeah yeah that person flew into area

645
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,720
51 with me and he at least from a third

646
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,320
party i haven't heard it direct from him

647
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,480
denied ever knowing her

648
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,480
but i did all this checking and that

649
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,240
person's family lived right near bob

650
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,799
lazar's house at the time they said they

651
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,720
you know bob his wife would come over

652
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,240
and have dinner once in a while because

653
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,919
they worked together

654
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,320
at egng though which

655
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,279
is weird you know and uh yeah and then

656
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,039
we have this film that came out and i've

657
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,799
been blocked by uh

658
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,640
by uh the filmmaker

659
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,960
jeremy corbell because i asked too many

660
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,919
questions

661
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,279
and apparently

662
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,120
you know he's kind of like

663
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,720
intellectual weakling that cannot

664
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,440
withstand any debate because i know 10

665
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,840
people now who have posted questions

666
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,520
when he tweets something or posts

667
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,520
something on facebook and they get

668
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,679
instantly blocked

669
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,480
yeah which i i don't feel real good

670
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,360
about

671
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,799
if there was

672
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,240
especially calling yourself an

673
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,720
investigative filmmaker because i might

674
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,559
my whole problem with that film is that

675
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,559
it seemed like he only

676
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,640
showed one side of the story and that

677
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,240
would be the side that

678
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,000
indicates that bob lazar's telling the

679
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,760
truth but there's 30 years worth of

680
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,440
evidence that shows that he's lying

681
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,279
about all kinds of stuff

682
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,919
that just mysteriously got left out

683
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,440
and then we also

684
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,720
get this

685
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,200
this plot device that oh

686
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:25,600
we talked about this element 115 and the

687
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:29,039
next day the fbi raided his office and

688
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,320
they must have been after this element

689
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,600
115

690
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,159
that raid according to documents and

691
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,320
paperwork had been in the works for

692
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,640
weeks and weeks and weeks

693
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,520
and it had to do with someone ordered

694
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,320
thorium from bob zorr and then killed

695
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,360
their wife with that thorium apparently

696
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,080
and so they were there to

697
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:52,640
find the sales records find a thorium or

698
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,600
anything

699
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,320
related to a murder investigation it had

700
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,480
nothing to do with flying saucers and

701
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,880
element 115 but in the film it was

702
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,640
portrayed that that's why the fbi were

703
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:04,240
there and that's

704
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:04,960
it's

705
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,039
dishonest at best to suggest that

706
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,000
yeah yeah the best

707
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,240
time i mean don't agree with that

708
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,200
case and and about that film

709
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,520
well you know when the story broke

710
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,520
um it was covered in the media to some

711
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,440
level uh it was embraced by a lot of

712
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,840
people in the community um

713
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,360
but as time went on

714
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,080
and people who actually

715
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,440
had a

716
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,760
uh some level of integrity

717
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,120
i guess said themselves you know i need

718
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,440
to look into this is this guy's claims

719
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,279
are they legitimate let's do a little

720
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,960
basic homework let's check out his

721
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,440
educational history let's check out his

722
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,760
work history uh he clearly had to work

723
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,440
to other

724
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,400
uh scientifically slanted

725
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,559
um

726
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:55,120
establishments before you read one he

727
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,480
just arrived there and started working

728
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,480
on a flying saucer like he claimed there

729
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,760
had to be a trail

730
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,799
and

731
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,640
there's been people have been unable to

732
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,120
fund the trail it's as time has gone on

733
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,360
and more red flies have come up

734
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,480
it's clear that um he's not telling the

735
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:12,000
truth

736
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,440
um

737
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,200
which and i don't mean to sound cynical

738
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,480
but it doesn't surprise me at all i mean

739
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,120
the ufo the history of ufos is loaded

740
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:22,159
with individuals that simply lied

741
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:23,440
or

742
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,720
really transpired

743
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,240
um

744
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,600
but it brought a lot of people into the

745
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,960
official community wasn't interested

746
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,120
about it um

747
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:37,200
and people i know some individuals that

748
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,399
don't believe

749
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,200
lazar like i do but have the same take

750
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,640
like well i mean

751
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,679
you know it brought people in the

752
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,679
community and that was it and but above

753
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,799
beyond that there's not much to the

754
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,799
story you know and then people people

755
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,080
around with it there was someone that's

756
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,840
using area 51

757
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,840
they're reverse engineering things that

758
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,880
they said the other and every

759
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,480
unidentified flying object that's over

760
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,880
in las vegas or or nevada has to be

761
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,320
alien spacecraft it has to originate

762
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,720
from area 51. and there was this whole

763
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:04,159
storyline

764
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:05,279
uh

765
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,200
lazar

766
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,080
scenario yeah a lot of i think a lot of

767
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,360
what i call ufo lure and myth

768
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:17,520
original with that bob lazar story

769
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,320
because it's convenient too like okay

770
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,960
uh like you said they have aliens and

771
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,279
flying saucers they take them to area 51

772
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,200
and they reverse engineer them

773
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,640
and

774
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,399
i don't know there was a historian that

775
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,039
walked through that s4 area

776
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,039
and he even took a picture of himself

777
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,679
right by that mountain where that secret

778
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,279
base is supposed to be and you didn't

779
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:41,360
see any hangar doors you didn't see

780
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,320
anything

781
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,559
and additionally greenpeace one time

782
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,640
walked right through that area

783
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,559
totally illegal to do that but they did

784
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,240
a whole bunch of protesters walked

785
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,600
through that area and nothing nobody saw

786
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,480
this s4 base

787
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,520
made me start questioning things um

788
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,640
you know a great deal because

789
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,600
it stands to reason that if this guy was

790
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,440
if this historian guy

791
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,559
who wanted to follow the

792
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:13,279
the pioneers trail through that area you

793
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,240
know

794
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,360
uh was walking right by that mountain

795
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,960
where this thing is supposed to be the

796
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:20,480
secret base is supposed to be there

797
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,679
would be security guards

798
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,760
guarding that like bob lazar described

799
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,440
nothing the guy just walked right

800
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,960
through there

801
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,559
yeah and a sad

802
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,559
and to the his story is that a year

803
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,159
later he died of

804
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,799
a really virulent form of cancer because

805
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,360
that area is so irradiated that even

806
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,679
spending a few days there

807
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,120
could kill you

808
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,960
yeah

809
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,039
and bob claims he's worked there i don't

810
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,960
know on and off you know

811
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,320
and there's all these people there i

812
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,520
don't think that the government would

813
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,000
put all these people in an area that is

814
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,399
so irradiated that it would kill you

815
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,880
spending a day or two there

816
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,039
no and even if they did that would leave

817
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,720
a paper trail you could find

818
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,399
documentation of

819
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,399
employees of

820
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,799
the government slash military

821
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,960
coming down with radiation sickness

822
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,720
because of protracted amount of time

823
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,320
they're working in everyone that's not

824
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,520
the case

825
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:17,360
uh again there's no documentation people

826
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,399
believe

827
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,640
uh ufos are extraordinary 51 how do we

828
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,240
know well i hear statements like well i

829
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,600
know they're there

830
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,080
okay show me documentation

831
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:27,840
show me multiple lines of testimony they

832
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,440
can't but they use the term i know

833
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,360
uh i can't tell you how much pushback i

834
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,279
get from people in the community for

835
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,799
saying things like you know i just don't

836
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,760
know

837
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,880
i'm not sure

838
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,480
i can't definitely say

839
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,039
yeah and then meanwhile there is a great

840
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,559
deal of evidence that the foreign

841
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:46,640
technology division of the armed

842
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:49,840
services have taken a great deal of

843
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,200
materials to wright patterson

844
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,159
so i always thought that this area 51 is

845
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,840
it's like a smoke screen that's not

846
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,880
where they take it they take it to

847
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,159
wright patterson

848
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:01,760
or they used to i don't know that they

849
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,480
still yeah that's certainly a

850
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,039
possibility and sure yeah i mean

851
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,519
area 51 is clearly a base

852
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,919
we know it was it's a it's an area that

853
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,440
they test

854
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,840
uh new aircraft

855
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,679
uh whether we've developed it or that

856
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,519
we've been inspired by

857
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,480
other sources being i.e soviet japanese

858
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,760
chinese or

859
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,200
extraterrestrial

860
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,840
i have no idea but it's where we was

861
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,159
where we built and tested

862
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,840
newfangled aircraft

863
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:33,440
um my personal take my personal belief

864
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,320
is i don't think there's anything

865
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,519
extraterrestrial there i don't think

866
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,039
there's anything there

867
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,640
now right harrison is different right

868
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,360
harrison is where the military's reverse

869
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,960
military's foreign technology division

870
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,880
was based there

871
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,440
and so that makes sense that if you

872
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,360
recovered anything

873
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,880
non-terrestrial that's what you were

874
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,399
that's where you would send it because

875
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,760
the facilities

876
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,279
that have the capability of doing

877
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,880
something with it

878
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,919
are there

879
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:00,000
uh i don't feel as as a species i don't

880
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,360
feel we're smart enough to reverse

881
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,480
engineer alien technology but that that

882
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,480
is where they would send it

883
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,399
uh if it's still there i have no idea i

884
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,640
don't know but you know

885
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,559
yeah i've always thought that uh

886
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,399
just the just the

887
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,080
arrogance to think that we could get

888
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:18,000
something that advanced and just reverse

889
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,600
engineer it it's kind of like

890
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:21,919
you know uh i don't know giving uh

891
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,799
giving like a a laptop to

892
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,840
you know somebody from zero bc times and

893
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:29,120
saying go ahead and figure out how that

894
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,000
works

895
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,960
you know yeah in a way there's just no

896
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,360
way because it would just be two worlds

897
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,600
away you know it's too many

898
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,240
too many technological leaps way beyond

899
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,760
it would just look like magic to them

900
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,120
and that's how i think

901
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,360
anything that we gather is probably just

902
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,880
looks like magic to us i don't think we

903
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:49,279
could figure out how it works

904
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,640
i could be wrong but i don't think so

905
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,840
no i'm really there yeah i don't think

906
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,840
it's really there we could both be wrong

907
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,399
but you know things like night vision

908
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,080
goggles fiber optics things of that

909
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:02,320
nature radar reflective skin on

910
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,519
airplanes

911
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:04,799
um

912
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,919
can find

913
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,399
to show the step-by-step development of

914
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:11,600
these things

915
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,480
and

916
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,240
fiber optics was being developed prior

917
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,399
to roswell yeah and then we get this

918
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,640
book damn to roswell which claims all of

919
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,880
this technology came from

920
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:22,960
that

921
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,640
twice and

922
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,399
i did my homework and that those claims

923
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,240
are not legitimate but they are believed

924
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,799
by multiple people in the community

925
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,559
uh

926
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,399
that's a big problem i have with

927
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:38,000
individuals and community i mean it's

928
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:39,200
it's it's

929
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,640
what happens is people get pigeonholed

930
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,159
and they have their belief system their

931
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,600
belief structure they believe in a book

932
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:45,039
they believe in a case they believe in

933
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,159
an author

934
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,399
and no matter what evidence is put

935
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,840
forward they're going to stick to their

936
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:53,039
guns and believe in what they want to

937
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,000
believe

938
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,679
as opposed to

939
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,440
and and this seems to be

940
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,000
this seems to be uh a scenario that is

941
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,000
looked out upon now but

942
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,760
when a researcher has the ability to

943
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,360
change his mind depending on what

944
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,600
evidence has come forth

945
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,280
that's a huge deal for me because you

946
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,480
have the integrity that say you know i

947
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,560
was wrong before new evidence came to

948
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,359
light i changed my mind yeah never i

949
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,040
think that's exactly how i felt with

950
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,040
lazar and and i had to be honest with

951
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,720
myself i had to do a lot of thinking

952
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,200
about it and the evidence

953
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,480
that he was lying is just too much for

954
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,879
me yeah it just at a certain point it

955
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,839
was like

956
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,599
i really want to believe this and that's

957
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,359
what it was i wanted to believe it i

958
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,520
grew up with that story i always thought

959
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,679
this is the greatest ufo story this guy

960
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,119
worked on him and he can tell us how

961
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,599
they work and what fuel system they use

962
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,000
and what a great story but that's what

963
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,079
it is that's all it is it's just a great

964
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,159
story and now they're people are out

965
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,520
there trying to sell that story again

966
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,599
yes tell me clear the motivation the

967
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,639
film

968
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,320
that corvo made

969
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,040
is clearly pro lazar

970
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,520
why would you make a

971
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,599
slanted documentary

972
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,599
to disprove his claims that's not going

973
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:07,359
to sell tickets

974
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,640
lazar look at the scenario

975
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,040
and that's what it was and that shows up

976
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,280
in the behavior that corporal undertakes

977
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,119
on facebook when he blocks people people

978
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,040
ask legitimate questions i have yet to

979
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,640
see corvo take

980
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,079
well i know a couple of months he is

981
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,599
some individuals attack him but the

982
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,920
majority of questions that are opposed

983
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,960
to him

984
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,119
have been legitimate questions

985
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,310
i i have to say that i i

986
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,240
posed some very legitimate questions and

987
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,599
i was respectful and i think that

988
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,760
i think the question that i asked or the

989
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,520
point that i raised that caused the

990
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,800
blocking

991
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,520
was that he interviewed bob lazar's

992
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,400
mother

993
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,680
in the film

994
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,680
and for 30 years now bob lazar's been

995
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,079
swearing no i really did go to mit even

996
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,079
though nobody can verify it i did go to

997
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,280
caltech even though nobody can verify it

998
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:04,000
corbell had access to bob lazar's mother

999
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:05,280
and sister

1000
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,079
so

1001
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,760
one of the things i would have asked

1002
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,440
both of them is did you attend his

1003
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,200
graduation do you remember him going to

1004
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,920
mit or caltech yeah and he got pissed

1005
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,359
and said how do you know i didn't ask

1006
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,079
them that and then he blocked me so what

1007
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,040
we have from corbell is two scenarios in

1008
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,280
regard to that one point

1009
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,680
either he didn't ask

1010
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,760
because he he didn't want to know the

1011
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,440
truth

1012
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,280
which is kind of crazy if you're making

1013
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,560
you know

1014
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,720
a film about that guy

1015
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,200
or he did ask and he didn't like the

1016
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,359
answers that he got so he left that

1017
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,119
information out of the film those are

1018
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:43,440
the only two choices that there could be

1019
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:49,990
my god tells me he didn't ask

1020
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,839
of course i could be wrong

1021
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,720
uh but regardless of whether he did or

1022
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,760
not

1023
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,520
if he got if he got the answer he didn't

1024
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,440
want he clearly would not have included

1025
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,359
that in the film

1026
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,760
um

1027
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,480
yeah it's yeah to call it to even

1028
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,400
entertain the idea that that is an

1029
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,480
objective examination of that case no

1030
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,320
it's not at all i've heard that thrown

1031
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,079
around but it isn't

1032
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,160
yeah and there's there's other red flags

1033
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,920
like you know people are saying

1034
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,599
there was some article like well bob

1035
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,520
lazar passed four lie detectors he

1036
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,640
passed lie detectors administered to him

1037
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,599
by a very close friend of george knapps

1038
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,839
and i have film of that guy saying that

1039
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,560
at first his answers were deceptive so

1040
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,480
we restarted it

1041
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,680
well then

1042
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,760
how did he pass he failed the first time

1043
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:39,920
then at the very least

1044
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,079
he you know his answers were indicate

1045
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,079
indicating deception that's what this

1046
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,400
guy said on one documentary and then you

1047
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,920
get another documentary and he's saying

1048
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,920
oh he passed all of them so which is it

1049
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,400
was he did he fail the first one and he

1050
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:54,000
was deceptive and you gave him three

1051
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:54,800
more

1052
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,520
and

1053
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,839
i had to reach out to some people that i

1054
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,560
know

1055
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,400
uh in law enforcement that administer

1056
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,960
polygraphs and they all laughed at the

1057
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:04,880
idea of giving someone four separate

1058
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,839
polygraphs administered by one person

1059
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,240
you don't do that you give the guy one

1060
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,480
polygraph and you get the results if

1061
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,400
he's deceptive in the first one you

1062
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,320
don't give him a second one and give him

1063
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,960
a chance to calm down and relax more or

1064
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,000
whatever

1065
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,320
and you have to pass the second

1066
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,520
round of the same questions

1067
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,280
yeah so we were talking about the lie

1068
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,160
detector and you know like i said this

1069
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:32,480
law enforcement is like you don't give

1070
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,240
a guy for lie detector tests and

1071
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,240
when people in the pro-lazar camp say

1072
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:40,160
things like he passed four lie detector

1073
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:41,119
tests

1074
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,240
i say

1075
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,640
okay where's the paperwork where were

1076
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,079
the tests administered who was the

1077
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:47,440
administer

1078
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:52,720
and we never get that and

1079
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,839
i have a feeling that we never will

1080
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:57,280
oh we won't

1081
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,400
no

1082
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,069
well i took a picture of this you'll

1083
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,680
follow when i related to my olynyk to my

1084
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,880
grandfather

1085
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,280
and the picture just disappears not that

1086
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,440
i would trust the ufo picture anyway but

1087
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,040
it's it's always that

1088
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,440
that evidence would really make a case

1089
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,200
strong

1090
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,920
never appears or when it's promised if

1091
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:20,079
never that promises never

1092
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,960
uh

1093
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,400
they don't follow through it never

1094
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,040
happens so i i can't imagine i would

1095
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,960
love to be proven wrong but i can't

1096
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,240
imagine that would ever come up that

1097
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,040
paperwork no that won't appear

1098
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,200
you know yeah i don't know i guess i

1099
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,599
kind of had this hope that like you know

1100
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,680
bob lazar got tired of like all the

1101
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,200
people saying he was lying and he was

1102
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,720
just going to go in this film and like

1103
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,880
drop some element 115 on the table and

1104
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:45,440
go there go you know there there's your

1105
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,320
proof

1106
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,119
now stop now stop you know calling me a

1107
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,680
liar like that would have been worthy of

1108
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,040
a film

1109
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,160
but what we got is oh this this new hand

1110
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:59,040
scanner which that's the only thing new

1111
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,400
in 30 years

1112
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,400
like corbell found some hand scanner and

1113
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,640
said was this the hand scanner at s4 and

1114
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,119
he said yeah yeah it was

1115
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:09,760
you know like

1116
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,640
that's pretty young it's pretty weak

1117
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,599
yeah and even then if if that was

1118
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,119
legitimate then i don't buy that for a

1119
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,560
second but if it was it improved he

1120
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,720
works error that still does not prove he

1121
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,800
worked on flying saucers

1122
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,160
no it proves that he works someplace

1123
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:26,160
that had a hand scanner like that if he

1124
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,440
is telling the truth about the hand

1125
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,079
scanner yeah but maybe i'm crazy i

1126
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:32,960
thought on that point that if if i was

1127
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,680
doing that and i had access to lazar

1128
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,200
what i would have done is

1129
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,040
i would have showed him

1130
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,200
10 pictures of hand scanners and one of

1131
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:43,119
them would have been a real one and the

1132
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,480
other nine would have been fake and i

1133
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,920
would have said pick out which one was

1134
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,599
at s4

1135
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,280
at least if you would have picked the

1136
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,119
right one that would have been some kind

1137
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,280
of evidence i guess but that's not what

1138
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,960
happened corbell just went look at this

1139
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:56,880
picture of this hand scanner is that

1140
00:41:03,030 --> 00:40:59,520
what you used yeah yeah that was it you

1141
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,190
well yeah it was a direct reflection on

1142
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:08,079
the integrity of the filmmaker

1143
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,800
as

1144
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,920
documentarian

1145
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:13,839
your job is to search for the truth and

1146
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,720
document that period regardless of your

1147
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,920
point of view regardless of your

1148
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,240
personal positions your job is to put

1149
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,040
forth the facts and take four facts

1150
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:24,800
as an investigative journalist or

1151
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,520
whatever term you want to use

1152
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:30,079
but the approach with lazar was clearly

1153
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,420
to

1154
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,200
[Applause]

1155
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,400
confirm his story

1156
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:37,040
to maintain that narrative yeah and the

1157
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,000
only other

1158
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,760
the other big problem that i have is

1159
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,200
that no one gets access to bob lazar no

1160
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,359
one i mean you can call yourself i

1161
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:48,079
challenge everybody call his job united

1162
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,119
nuclear

1163
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,839
and ask if you can have even a 10-minute

1164
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,920
interview you're not going to get it

1165
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,079
nobody gets an interview

1166
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,200
so i believe that the reason that this

1167
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,480
filmmaker got such incredible access

1168
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,000
was because

1169
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,240
lazar knew like this guy's not gonna ask

1170
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,560
me hardball questions he's not gonna

1171
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,319
he's not gonna press

1172
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,240
on all the inconsistencies in the

1173
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:14,480
statements i've made over the years

1174
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,440
and

1175
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,280
so what we get is is some kind of

1176
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,280
softball pro lazar

1177
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:21,599
i call it a propaganda piece that's what

1178
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,990
i agree pretty much

1179
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,040
because you're controlling the narrative

1180
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,560
you're controlling

1181
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,480
you control the access to the individual

1182
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,480
in question

1183
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,560
you're not only not able to get any kind

1184
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,800
of interviews uh it's it's

1185
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,119
it's it's it's like comparing the apples

1186
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,280
and oranges but it's the way the ttsa

1187
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,960
has been controlling the narrative they

1188
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,400
give you drifter of grip they give you a

1189
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,040
little bit of information

1190
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:48,720
i was going to we should get into that

1191
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,950
as soon as i heard about this ttsa thing

1192
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:57,599
and especially that it was being

1193
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,640
spearheaded by tom delonge

1194
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,920
you know and a lot of people give him a

1195
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,839
lot of credit like he's always he was a

1196
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,760
huge rock star he sold this many million

1197
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,200
records and

1198
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,000
that was that was a long time ago

1199
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,319
and and it was stupid little teenage

1200
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,079
girls that bought his records and

1201
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,599
they've all grown up and they're not

1202
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,680
buying his records anymore

1203
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,319
so to me this is some kind of money grab

1204
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,560
because i just keep coming back to this

1205
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,560
if you really had all this proof and

1206
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:26,000
evidence that he keeps claiming that he

1207
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,960
has

1208
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,119
why would you drip drip it out why would

1209
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,240
you solicit people to to invest in your

1210
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,319
company that's going to be making

1211
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,880
fictional films and selling fiction

1212
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,800
science fiction books and like it

1213
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,720
doesn't make any sense to me i don't i

1214
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:42,160
don't understand

1215
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,119
and

1216
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,119
that group of his is filled with former

1217
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,160
cia people and call me kooky but i just

1218
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,240
don't trust that a bunch of former cia

1219
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,000
people are going to give us the truth

1220
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,560
no i you know the way the

1221
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,880
information they had the initial

1222
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,319
release of information which was

1223
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,839
connected to the

1224
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:03,599
with the new york times article that

1225
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,119
lizzie keen and uh co-writer released

1226
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,200
and so they they had a

1227
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,960
a release of some sort and i was waiting

1228
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,240
for the other shoe to drop they never

1229
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,000
did they started controlling the

1230
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,839
narrative they started controlling

1231
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,200
who you could interview and who couldn't

1232
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,280
be interviewed um

1233
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,200
and when de long comes out and when he's

1234
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,680
interviewed uh he

1235
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,200
doesn't sound credible he sounds

1236
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,400
complete he sounds completely unaware of

1237
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,440
the uh literature in a general way

1238
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:33,440
and he sounds completely unqualified to

1239
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,599
be talking about these points um

1240
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,599
and again if you if you have the if you

1241
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,760
have evidence of alien visitation if you

1242
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,520
actually have physical evidence that

1243
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:44,960
you're examining

1244
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,230
why would you why would you control the

1245
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,160
amount of information that is being

1246
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,920
dolled out it sounds like it sounds like

1247
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,560
the old soviet union i mean the ussr

1248
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,480
used to control the media they would

1249
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,720
control what the but the public knew

1250
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,079
that's kind of what's happening here you

1251
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,599
you control what the public knows

1252
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,359
you're continuing you're continuing to

1253
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,359
dangle a carrot in front of the horse

1254
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,119
the horse is going to keep walking

1255
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,640
beautifully they're going to keep

1256
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,760
digging it up they're going to keep

1257
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,680
eating this up because they get when it

1258
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,119
gets quiet they give another little

1259
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,400
release of information

1260
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,760
and then everyone's talking about it

1261
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,200
then it quiets down again and when it

1262
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,960
gets quiet again they release a little

1263
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,720
more information so they keep

1264
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,040
giving out drift by drip by drip little

1265
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,800
by little to maintain

1266
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,560
the interest in what they're trying to

1267
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:32,160
do or what they're saying they're trying

1268
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,200
to do

1269
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,040
um

1270
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:38,079
people on facebook that that that

1271
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,520
unfriended me

1272
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:40,960
after i asked them why they would make

1273
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,160
statements like 2018 is the euro ufo

1274
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,319
and i said i said you know i'm 50 years

1275
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,839
old i've been looking at this for almost

1276
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,079
30 years and every year people say that

1277
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:52,880
1989 was the year of the ufo 1994

1278
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,920
2001 2005. it never comes to fruition

1279
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,119
yeah

1280
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,710
we're in the year of disclosure it's

1281
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,040
going to happen and i remember um even

1282
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,560
very critical

1283
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,640
credible people that i followed for a

1284
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,440
long time like in one case the guy

1285
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,359
sort of said this is the first week

1286
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,079
after disclosure and and then you know

1287
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,160
for i don't know all this time now he's

1288
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,920
still saying it's gonna happen any day

1289
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,319
now folks you know and like we never get

1290
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,680
it it never comes

1291
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,280
it never happens

1292
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,040
and the problem that i always have is

1293
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,880
like follow the money like it doesn't

1294
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,359
make any sense to me if you had absolute

1295
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,960
proof of this stuff

1296
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:34,800
you would be

1297
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,520
remembered in history forever if you

1298
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,200
disclose that stuff

1299
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,880
yeah so

1300
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,960
the money motive is like if you had the

1301
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,640
goods you wouldn't be trying to get the

1302
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,400
small money right now you'd go for the

1303
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,880
big money drop the goods let everybody

1304
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,800
know the truth and then you'll be the

1305
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,760
huge

1306
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,160
hero of that disclosure story

1307
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,720
in in the history of the world forever

1308
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,839
you know

1309
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,839
yes yeah

1310
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,150
yeah

1311
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:06,160
well now we're going well now they're

1312
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,440
gonna have this history they're gonna

1313
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,319
have a tv show so that's kind of like

1314
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,000
okay now they're gonna have a tv show

1315
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,680
and and i've heard people saying well

1316
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,119
that's where they're gonna start making

1317
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,520
me all these disclosures yeah i guess i

1318
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,240
i was just disappointed because at first

1319
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,800
you know i thought well maybe this is

1320
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,160
really going to happen and then

1321
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,160
everybody is everybody else seems to

1322
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,079
think it might happen soon and let's

1323
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,839
follow this and i was following every

1324
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,920
day waiting for something else to you

1325
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,800
know

1326
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,400
following every story that i could find

1327
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,040
on that group and you know maybe even a

1328
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,680
few others and i just seem like it just

1329
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,359
pittered out now and now we're right

1330
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,960
back to nothing a big nothing burger and

1331
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,880
those videos that they released

1332
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:49,200
now they're saying oh well the

1333
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,640
you know we have proof that the

1334
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,240
government did release them well first

1335
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,599
the government said they didn't release

1336
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,520
them now we're saying the government is

1337
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,680
now saying they did release them so it's

1338
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,880
just like smoke and mirrors and crazy

1339
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,400
and i don't know i don't know what's

1340
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:04,079
going to happen but it just doesn't look

1341
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,040
like

1342
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,760
it's going to happen in my lifetime

1343
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,680
at all

1344
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,680
yeah no i don't think it'll happen my

1345
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,480
lifetime either no not at all um

1346
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,920
what's scary is how quickly it's

1347
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,359
embraced

1348
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,960
people in the community

1349
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,359
a story about disclosure or the ttsa

1350
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,359
scenario comes out or or the new story

1351
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,640
about the navy

1352
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,559
pilots and then the changes they're

1353
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,720
making to

1354
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,760
uh

1355
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,680
collective information

1356
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,559
yeah that kind of stuff and uh people

1357
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,240
immediately trouble the bandwagon

1358
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,680
instead of being cautious and saying you

1359
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,200
know let me let me do some homework and

1360
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,960
find where this

1361
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,559
story came from who wrote this story

1362
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,000
where is it was this

1363
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,079
information legitimate no they just jump

1364
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,920
on the bandwagon that's incredible story

1365
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,240
that's great news this is the other

1366
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,559
when the story may not be valid

1367
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,319
but people don't do their homework they

1368
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,079
don't use any critical thinking whether

1369
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,680
it comes to

1370
00:49:01,190 --> 00:49:00,160
ufo cases in general testimony in

1371
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:01,200
general

1372
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:02,400
or

1373
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,319
motivation

1374
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,400
to release this

1375
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,720
supposed information or story that gets

1376
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:14,400
the ball rolling

1377
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,829
that are really interested in ufos and

1378
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,280
these subjects are kind of looking for

1379
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,400
validation you know like i know for me

1380
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,079
like that

1381
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,880
you know like i was thinking like man if

1382
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,119
this disclosure thing happens like a lot

1383
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,559
of people that know me are going to have

1384
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,160
to shut up because

1385
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,760
i've been interested in this stuff and

1386
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,839
talking about it and i've been saying

1387
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:39,839
there's some truth to some of this stuff

1388
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,040
is is real and everybody's like yeah you

1389
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,359
know put your tin foil hat back on and

1390
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,400
you're crazy and that's all fantasy and

1391
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,800
if disclosure really happened you know

1392
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,480
just like me all these people that have

1393
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:53,760
been interested in this forever would

1394
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:56,640
get that validation like see i was right

1395
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,670
sure yeah that's well that's motivation

1396
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,240
sure i think i think that would clearly

1397
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,559
win a lot of arguments i mean i i i

1398
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,000
can't i can't imagine the number of

1399
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,480
times i've been told well knowing what

1400
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,760
the right mind would even reported you

1401
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,599
all inside him that's that's that's the

1402
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,280
realm of idiots

1403
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,040
and i immediately come back with so i

1404
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,720
guess jimmy carter and ronald reagan

1405
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,920
were indians

1406
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,319
sure and they're like what i said well

1407
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,079
based on the ufos

1408
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,240
they came forward oh reagan did and

1409
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,240
reagan talked about ufos barry goldwater

1410
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,240
talked about ufos and of course jimmy

1411
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,680
carter saw one those are those are three

1412
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,400
guys that are politically very far apart

1413
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,920
and i don't think whether your right

1414
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,599
mind would call them fools or idiots

1415
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,880
they may not agree with their political

1416
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,960
stances but these are intelligent

1417
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,079
individuals

1418
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,240
but somebody makes statements somebody

1419
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:46,319
randomly will say well only fools report

1420
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,440
ufos

1421
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,119
but this comes from usually individuals

1422
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,800
are not aware of

1423
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,240
what's actually been said what's

1424
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,480
actually concerned and who has seen them

1425
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:57,280
so um yeah so if disclosure happened

1426
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,400
then it was

1427
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,880
validation that that ufos are real and

1428
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,559
we haven't visited

1429
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,480
those kind of arguments would be one

1430
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,680
immediately that would be a great

1431
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,880
feeling

1432
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,440
i wouldn't lie to you that i would be so

1433
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:10,960
you know one of the one of the things

1434
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:13,680
that made me start thinking more about

1435
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,640
government projects and drones is that i

1436
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,960
have this cabin and it's at the highest

1437
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,880
elevation in the pocono mountains in

1438
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,920
pennsylvania like the highest elevation

1439
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,359
in pennsylvania

1440
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,760
in the whole state and my cabin is right

1441
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,000
near the sign it's like two miles from

1442
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,000
the sign that basically says you're in

1443
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,640
the highest elevation in the state

1444
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:36,400
of pennsylvania

1445
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:37,440
so

1446
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,480
uh

1447
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,559
some of the things that i see in the

1448
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,880
skies up there now i don't want that

1449
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,880
let's be very let me be very clear i

1450
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,800
don't think they're extraterrestrials i

1451
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,559
don't think they're aliens but they

1452
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:50,559
definitely are ufos

1453
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,839
we are i am so high up in the mountains

1454
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,160
that you're so close to

1455
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,559
you're so much higher than everyone else

1456
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,079
on a clear night

1457
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,480
i see all kinds of

1458
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,240
lights in the sky small lights in the

1459
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,079
sky flying around

1460
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,400
and it's not it can't be all airplanes

1461
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,480
there's not that many you know and it

1462
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,079
can't be all satellites i use the

1463
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,079
satellite tracking thing so i'm starting

1464
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,640
to think that there are tons of drones

1465
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,200
up there in our atmosphere that we don't

1466
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,800
know about and we're not supposed to

1467
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,400
know about

1468
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,760
and that could be a large part of the

1469
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,800
phenomenon but it's not very it's not a

1470
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,520
very sexy explanation for what everyone

1471
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,079
is seeing you know

1472
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:34,079
no you're right yeah everyone

1473
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,359
unfortunately

1474
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,880
the general public

1475
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,040
thinks that ufo means alien spacecraft

1476
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,880
which it doesn't it certainly means

1477
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,359
unidentified everyone everyone really

1478
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:45,599
who's ever lived has seen the ufo

1479
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,800
they see something in the air they can't

1480
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,040
identify and most likely was

1481
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,040
a lighted bug or a lightning or the

1482
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,119
planet of venus or a drone or a

1483
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,400
helicopter or whatever

1484
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,480
sure yeah

1485
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,319
the number is been that out

1486
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,839
uh every

1487
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,280
legitimate examination of this

1488
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,960
phenomenon has come up with only five

1489
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,720
percent unexplained

1490
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,319
five to ten percent

1491
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,079
so the vast majority of your voice in

1492
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:12,000
your site are explainable after

1493
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,280
investigation

1494
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,440
isn't very sexy but that's what we're at

1495
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,839
but unfortunately today people say well

1496
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,280
you saw ufo you must see one of those

1497
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,800
ufo cooks

1498
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,319
no i simply saw something i couldn't

1499
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:24,000
identify that doesn't mean i saw people

1500
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:25,280
from venus

1501
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,870
one of my first weekends one of my first

1502
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,319
weekends up at the cabin where i had

1503
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,760
this little telescope and i was looking

1504
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,599
at some of these you know just looking

1505
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,720
up and

1506
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:40,800
even with the naked eye you can see

1507
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,599
stuff

1508
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:44,400
and i saw something that looked like a

1509
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,200
big

1510
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,920
you know bright light in the sky but way

1511
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,400
way off in the distance up in the sky

1512
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,000
and it turned out that was the

1513
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:54,240
international space station

1514
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:56,160
but i'm so high up in an elevation you

1515
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,599
could almost see that thing with the

1516
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,079
naked eye which is crazy

1517
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,960
and you know if i was uh if i wasn't

1518
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,960
grounded enough to go let's see what

1519
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,280
this really is i i could have went to

1520
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:09,520
that oh it must be aliens but you know

1521
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:10,960
i'm very cautious with that kind of

1522
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,760
stuff

1523
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:13,839
turns out it was the international space

1524
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,200
station and i've seen it 10 more times

1525
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
up there just even with the naked eye

1526
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,960
you can see it as a light in the sky way

1527
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,119
high up there moving too quickly across

1528
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,720
the sky to be

1529
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,119
uh like an airplane or something else

1530
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,559
and you could just you could see

1531
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,760
satellites almost with a naked eye

1532
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,440
but again they're just like a little dot

1533
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:35,680
up in the sky moving too fast to be an

1534
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,720
airplane or something you know so a lot

1535
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,559
of things up in our sky that are

1536
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,640
we don't we don't know what it is but

1537
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,559
you have to be grounded and say let's

1538
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:47,040
find out what it is not go straight to

1539
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,559
the alien crazy hypothesis you know

1540
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,079
because i know a few people that go

1541
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,079
straight to that everything they say has

1542
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,160
got to be an alien or a flag saucer it's

1543
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,960
interdimensional that's why it's glowing

1544
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,880
come on man well here i can see that

1545
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,040
we're coming up on a break let's pause

1546
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:05,359
for a break and station identification

1547
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,510
welcome back to the midnight hour show

1548
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,000
folks my guest is william poland and

1549
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,520
william before the break we were talking

1550
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,680
about how quickly people go right to the

1551
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,319
alien hypothesis when they see a ufo can

1552
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,079
you comment on that

1553
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,880
i i know only a few

1554
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:40,640
uh

1555
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,280
instead of looking at the more possible

1556
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,640
more likely

1557
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,480
mundane explanations they jump into the

1558
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,640
exotic immediately

1559
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,839
um

1560
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,720
and

1561
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,319
i'm told by this i wrote about this my

1562
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,240
blog that one of those individuals that

1563
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:58,640
posted this on facebook she posted

1564
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,920
uh some pictures that she saw she took

1565
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:03,119
and she was convinced they were aliens

1566
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,559
face crabs

1567
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,000
turns out they weren't they were

1568
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,599
helicopters at a

1569
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,680
very very far enough distance that you

1570
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,599
couldn't differentiate between

1571
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:13,680
one you couldn't hear any sound and two

1572
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,470
so i thought okay somebody that

1573
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,119
ungrounded was working for mufon i found

1574
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,040
that very troubling yeah the light in

1575
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,119
the sky is exactly that to me i'm not

1576
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:35,200
very interested in a light in the sky

1577
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,079
you know

1578
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,760
or or blurry

1579
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,520
video of a light in the sky that's you

1580
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,880
know

1581
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,799
50 miles off in the distance it could be

1582
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,640
anything it could be you know a player

1583
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:47,040
it could be a chinese laner it could be

1584
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,559
a satellite a drone anything

1585
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,480
yeah

1586
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,720
or or it could be an alien spacecraft

1587
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:56,400
but you have to do your homework to

1588
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,920
research to find out what it is if

1589
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,920
if if the potential of it being

1590
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,920
extraterrestrial still on the table then

1591
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:05,040
that's fine

1592
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,400
but you can't just jump to that

1593
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,720
conclusion first that's not that's not

1594
00:57:12,010 --> 00:57:10,640
reasonable that's not

1595
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,020
that's not grounded

1596
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:13,520
[Music]

1597
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,400
you know

1598
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,920
um

1599
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,599
yeah

1600
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,960
in my group on facebook and in my

1601
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,440
interactions with people i get a ton of

1602
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:23,359
emails and pushback saying you just

1603
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,319
don't believe in aliens you don't

1604
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:26,160
believe in ufos

1605
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,440
uh

1606
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,440
as if that should be a question one i

1607
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:31,119
don't believe in ufos means that i

1608
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,400
believe everything that's seen on the

1609
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,240
air is identifiable

1610
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,520
at first glance that's that's

1611
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:37,440
unreasonable you know or i don't believe

1612
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,359
in aliens i have to constantly um

1613
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,079
defend my position you know i believe

1614
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:46,160
alien be hesitation has taken place i

1615
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,440
just don't feel it's anywhere near as

1616
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,599
common as what's portrayed in the ufo

1617
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,640
community

1618
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,240
but because i don't embrace everything i

1619
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,440
get pushed back yeah yeah i mean um

1620
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,480
yeah it's crazy

1621
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,720
well i was going to ask you a question

1622
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,079
you said that you believe that there it

1623
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,760
has been visitation

1624
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,119
and this is something that has always

1625
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,040
interested me

1626
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,200
if if they are here and they are

1627
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,119
visiting

1628
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,920
why why would they be here because i've

1629
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,000
often thought that if they if they are

1630
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,480
visiting it's just an anthropology

1631
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,119
project for them it's kind of like us

1632
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,680
finding a tribe of primitives

1633
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:26,240
in the south american you know jungle

1634
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,280
somewhere

1635
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,680
well we're in people to study them

1636
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,359
because it'll tell us something about

1637
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,040
our own origins that's my hypothesis but

1638
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,280
what's yours

1639
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:40,000
that's a logical take um

1640
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:40,960
you know

1641
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:43,760
none of our technology other than

1642
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,119
television radio broadcasts

1643
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:48,960
none of our technology is detectable

1644
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,000
from extremely long distances

1645
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,160
so unless they came across a broadcast

1646
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,359
that we've given out we've been

1647
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:57,359
broadcasting into space for about

1648
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,119
i i guess around 90 100 years on them

1649
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:03,040
probably longer than that

1650
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,480
unless they came across a broadcast they

1651
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,000
may have discovered this purely by

1652
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,839
accident

1653
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,680
and they discovered a species that had

1654
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,599
some level of technology

1655
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,200
that was very war-like and were still

1656
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:15,440
war-like but they developed technology

1657
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,720
more so than say an intellectual species

1658
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,640
that did not uh

1659
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:22,000
what comes to mind is like dolphins and

1660
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:23,040
whales

1661
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,319
very intelligent but they don't have

1662
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,400
technology which doesn't make them less

1663
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,160
intelligent than us it just means they

1664
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,920
didn't develop technology it may be a

1665
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,200
random thing

1666
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,559
um so i i get that that we're

1667
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,359
we're clearly not a threat to them

1668
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,040
uh unless they landed here we probably

1669
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:41,200
opened fire first but it may be that

1670
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,799
they're just interested in us uh

1671
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,559
intelligent life that's technologically

1672
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,280
advanced may be a rare thing

1673
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,520
so they may be just investigating us

1674
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,920
first our technology and now

1675
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,160
they want to know about us per se

1676
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,440
um

1677
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,200
but they may be intelligent enough to

1678
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,440
not really interact with us because we

1679
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,599
we've seen examples on earth that when

1680
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,440
when a more developed

1681
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,720
uh

1682
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,319
part of a species has contact with the

1683
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,880
less part the less developed part really

1684
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,119
ceases to exist

1685
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,880
so they're intelligent they would know

1686
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,640
that direct interaction with us would

1687
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,640
not be good for us so maybe that's the

1688
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,799
motivation but we might both be wrong

1689
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,960
we're applying human thinking to

1690
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,880
extraterrestrials i always find it funny

1691
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,400
when i hear somebody say well

1692
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,240
extraterrestrials wouldn't do that how

1693
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:28,880
would you possibly know by definition

1694
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,880
they're alien therefore

1695
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:32,079
we don't know how they think we don't

1696
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,359
know they have morals we don't know if

1697
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,040
they have religious beliefs we don't

1698
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,720
know anything about them

1699
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,000
uh

1700
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,079
i i don't know but

1701
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,400
but uh the idea that they're studying us

1702
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,640
um that's logical that's a possibility

1703
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,799
certainly

1704
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,720
yeah that's kind of where i've been at

1705
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:49,680
lately

1706
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,640
but

1707
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,559
you know the other thing i wanted to ask

1708
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,760
you about is

1709
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,079
you know all these reports of bodies and

1710
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:58,000
things that wright patterson well what

1711
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,599
do you think of all that stuff like all

1712
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,520
the technologies taken there the bodies

1713
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,119
were taken there do you think they

1714
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:04,799
really have anything there

1715
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,950
um

1716
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,559
my my thought is that there's probably

1717
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,880
been fewer than five legitimate ufo

1718
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,200
crashes on the entire planet

1719
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,960
i think that i think it's a very

1720
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,440
extremely rare occurrence and if that

1721
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,960
happened in the

1722
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:25,359
boundaries of the united states

1723
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,000
uh it would make logical sense to send

1724
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,839
things to write patterson because that's

1725
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,119
where

1726
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:33,280
the ftv is for technology to business

1727
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,480
that makes sense

1728
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:36,000
um

1729
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,440
i don't think we could version in here

1730
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,920
any of it so um have we recovered

1731
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,920
organic material

1732
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,839
uh i.e bodies

1733
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,920
uh there's testimony that suggests that

1734
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,760
out of roswell and there's been other

1735
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,119
cases where

1736
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,400
people have claimed that um i think it's

1737
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:54,000
a possibility

1738
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,440
um

1739
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,720
certainly in roswell it might be a

1740
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:58,160
possibility

1741
01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:59,119
but

1742
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:02,720
how do we prove that i i don't know

1743
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:06,799
there's there's no way to do it um

1744
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:10,480
but i would think that if we did

1745
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:11,440
um

1746
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:13,280
the us government or military would not

1747
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:14,000
be

1748
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,680
very open to sharing any of that

1749
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,520
information either to other governments

1750
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,200
or to its own public

1751
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:21,440
so if if the government or military has

1752
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,440
those things we'll never know for sure

1753
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:25,280
we'll never really know

1754
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,559
we may

1755
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,960
believe in that scenario but we will

1756
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,799
disclosure's right around the corner you

1757
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,920
know

1758
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:33,520
yeah

1759
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,200
mentioned a couple of you think there's

1760
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,119
a couple of credible crash

1761
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:41,039
which which are they besides roswell

1762
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,640
because i've looked into that that was a

1763
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,960
big rabbit hole for me for years and uh

1764
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,960
i came away thinking that

1765
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:49,359
a lot of these stories of alien crashes

1766
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,640
are

1767
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,319
it's just like you said there's so many

1768
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,280
stories and there's very few that are

1769
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:57,440
actually credible so my belief is that

1770
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:00,480
it might happen but it's very very rare

1771
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:03,760
but which cases do you think are really

1772
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:06,559
got some you know got some credible

1773
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:09,839
witnesses or some some good information

1774
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,319
as far as crashes go wait was it

1775
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,160
specifically crashes my mind goes to

1776
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,200
roswell my mind goes to sag harbor

1777
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:18,720
because he had the canadians involved he

1778
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,200
had the royal canadian mounted police

1779
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,880
who had

1780
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:24,319
multiple

1781
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:27,359
uh non-civilian groups involved

1782
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,880
nothing alienware was recovered but

1783
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:30,079
there's a lot there's a lot of

1784
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,520
documentation

1785
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,799
from all these groups that they were

1786
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:34,160
involved in a

1787
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,280
event

1788
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,359
that remains unexplained

1789
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,000
uh roswell there's a shortage of

1790
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,599
documentation

1791
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:43,200
and only firsthand witnesses are pretty

1792
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:45,920
much gone but they were all military

1793
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,799
trained observers their stories

1794
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:50,240
hold together

1795
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:51,520
the reaction of the military and the

1796
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,559
government

1797
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,880
is interesting

1798
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:56,799
beyond those two

1799
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:59,760
um

1800
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,119
i can't think of one that comes to mind

1801
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,319
there's a strong case out of

1802
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,920
i can't recall the date but it's out of

1803
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:07,680
eastern russia it happened i think it

1804
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:10,880
happened in the late 80s i believe um

1805
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,599
in the kazakhstan area i'll i'll i've

1806
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:16,000
got to do some research to refresh in my

1807
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,839
head but

1808
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:19,760
yeah that came to mind i can't recall

1809
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,400
the name of it it's twist on mine but um

1810
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:24,079
i just don't think they're being very

1811
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:25,359
very many

1812
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:27,760
there have been landings and socorro

1813
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:30,559
comes to mind renfrewshire forest uh

1814
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,960
uh leveling texas in 52 i believe uh but

1815
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:37,200
are all those alien spacecraft we don't

1816
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,000
know

1817
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,480
uh but they're still unexplained

1818
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,079
uh they're all multiple witness there's

1819
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,680
documentation there

1820
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,359
there's some level of physical evidence

1821
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:47,760
and not pieces of the craft but there's

1822
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,760
landing marks radiation traces burn

1823
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,079
marks things of that nature so that's

1824
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,839
evidence that something transpires some

1825
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,359
event happened

1826
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,680
as to the explanation for the event uh

1827
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:59,520
we can't

1828
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,559
uh

1829
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,960
the trouble is with crashes and ufos

1830
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:04,160
cases

1831
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:06,839
there's rarely enough information to

1832
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,039
definitively assign an explanation

1833
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,119
that would be pro ufo pro alien

1834
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,960
spacecraft

1835
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,280
but there are cases out there because of

1836
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,280
the lack of events

1837
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,760
we can definitely say that that is a

1838
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,599
hoax or it was a

1839
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:26,079
helicopter or it was a

1840
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,839
uh it was um whatever um

1841
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,160
without a physical piece of a craft or

1842
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:34,799
or or a body recovered we'll never be

1843
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,599
able to say definitively okay this was

1844
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,599
alien visitation

1845
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,520
but there are cases where the evidence

1846
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,119
and the testimony

1847
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,760
strongly is subject to is suggestive of

1848
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:46,799
it

1849
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,799
of the craft and that's unfortunate but

1850
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,760
yeah

1851
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,240
crashes i think of you know shag harbor

1852
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:55,920
roswell and a few other cases where

1853
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,520
landings took place

1854
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,799
and there's a few of the cases of

1855
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:00,799
sardines that are pretty strong where

1856
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,240
the crap didn't didn't land per se but

1857
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,000
was seen in the air by multiple

1858
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,680
witnesses their radar reasonable

1859
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,960
evidence

1860
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:09,920
uh

1861
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,079
civilians and non-civilians taking part

1862
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:14,079
of it law enforcement officials

1863
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:15,520
so these are some pretty strong cases

1864
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:19,520
out there but not that many really

1865
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:20,799
but there's

1866
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,760
huge numbers of cases where

1867
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:24,880
um

1868
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:27,440
it's not as strong so that's the

1869
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,160
majority of the ufo literature is

1870
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,240
cases that are not strong with a few

1871
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,079
strongly peppered in there so that's

1872
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,400
that's kind of what we have

1873
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:38,799
yeah it's very tantalizing to go looking

1874
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:41,200
into these things because like you know

1875
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,400
what

1876
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:44,079
you get you get the really good strong

1877
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,599
cases where you go there's something

1878
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:48,000
here and then but to get to that one

1879
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,839
you've got to go through 25 that are

1880
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,640
like

1881
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,880
this guy's selling a book this guy's a

1882
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,559
documentary

1883
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,039
this guy's this guy's whole background

1884
01:07:02,470 --> 01:06:59,520
was made up and we can prove it he's not

1885
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:02,480
who he says he was and uh you know

1886
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,960
it's very discouraging i guess

1887
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,880
there's this big money motivation i

1888
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,240
don't understand some of these people

1889
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:10,559
who think like i'm gonna get rich quick

1890
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:12,799
and i'm gonna do it by claiming that uh

1891
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,200
you know i'm a doctor and uh i worked on

1892
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,440
alien spacecraft or whatever the case

1893
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,599
may be and it's like yeah

1894
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:23,920
most of these times it's i'm amazed at

1895
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,839
how easily these people are proven

1896
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,119
frauds

1897
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:29,680
yet i'm i'm sort of disgusted that

1898
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:30,480
people

1899
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:31,680
still believe

1900
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:34,400
these people and they're still happy

1901
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,799
you know yeah let's listen to lecture

1902
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,119
again or so you know like

1903
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,359
you know

1904
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:44,640
yeah i i i totally get that yeah i i

1905
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,119
i got into an argument with a guy like

1906
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:49,119
six seven years ago on facebook

1907
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:50,480
not that long maybe four or five years

1908
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:53,440
ago when i first got on facebook

1909
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:56,240
the majority of my investigative career

1910
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,680
when you go home anyway i wasn't on

1911
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,240
social media not till like 2015 you know

1912
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,240
i finally jump in

1913
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,160
but the guy was giving me a hard time he

1914
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,680
said well you claim to be a field

1915
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,280
investigator

1916
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:10,319
i said really where'd you see that he

1917
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,440
said what do you say it all the time i

1918
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,280
go no i don't

1919
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,359
i'm a i'm a researcher

1920
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:16,960
i'm an investigator

1921
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,440
uh people some people call me historian

1922
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,880
but i've never claimed to be a field

1923
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:23,120
investigator i said show me that show me

1924
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,560
wherever i've said that

1925
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:26,000
he couldn't find any documentation he

1926
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,199
couldn't find any single post on

1927
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:29,600
facebook that i claimed that

1928
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,040
and i said well follow through you're

1929
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,880
claiming that i said this

1930
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:34,080
i didn't

1931
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:37,359
find the evidence find somewhere where

1932
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,480
i have claimed to be a field

1933
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,640
investigator what i do is i examine the

1934
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,719
case to the field investigators have

1935
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,880
finished and examine the examine the

1936
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:46,400
data

1937
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:47,679
i said but i told him i haven't done a

1938
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,159
field investigation for eight years

1939
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:53,199
and i'm pretty uh

1940
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,400
firm about what titles are what uh what

1941
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,679
title somebody will use when they

1942
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:59,440
describe me and field investigator is

1943
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,880
not one of them

1944
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,000
not at all

1945
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:05,040
the only the one that bothers me is ufo

1946
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,000
expert

1947
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:08,080
to me that's an oxymoron like how could

1948
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:09,679
it be how could you be an expert in

1949
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:12,960
enigma a problem that is not solved that

1950
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,679
remains unidentified unexplained how can

1951
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:17,279
you be an expert you can be an expert in

1952
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,960
the data

1953
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,640
but usually when i think of the word

1954
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,759
expert i'll think of somebody who

1955
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,359
actually has answers

1956
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,199
and nobody has any answers to this to

1957
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,199
this problem so

1958
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,759
those two terms really bugged me

1959
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:31,679
that's just a random i apologize yeah i

1960
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,600
can imagine i i don't i don't know i i

1961
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,359
just assumed that you were a researcher

1962
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,359
i didn't really dig too deep into like

1963
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,839
what to call you or you know but you

1964
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,839
know you're definitely a researcher that

1965
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:45,920
is more interested in the historical

1966
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,199
perspective and in facts and figures and

1967
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,920
documentation and credibility of the

1968
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,239
cases not just

1969
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:55,600
in other words you're not a [\h__\h]

1970
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:58,400
salesman so there's a badge of honor

1971
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,760
everybody's heard it here first

1972
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,280
you are definitely not a [\h__\h]

1973
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:05,679
salesman and i like i said we've been

1974
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,480
spending a lot of time here on our show

1975
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,800
debunking [\h__\h] salesmen

1976
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:12,719
so you know it's good that we have

1977
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,199
people like you also out there trying to

1978
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,159
get to some form of truth

1979
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,840
i appreciate that you know yeah it's

1980
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:20,800
just

1981
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,400
i'm looking for answers

1982
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:25,120
i'm i'm very comfortable saying i don't

1983
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:26,000
know

1984
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:31,040
case let me do some research and get

1985
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,400
back to you

1986
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:33,840
people will ask me why

1987
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,920
my take on the case and if i don't know

1988
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:37,600
enough about it i won't give them a take

1989
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,800
i'll say you know

1990
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,960
i don't know i will do some research i'm

1991
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,120
not going to give you an uninformed

1992
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,760
opinion sure i will not do that

1993
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,600
that that

1994
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,679
as a researcher it believes me to really

1995
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,440
know what i'm talking about if i if i'm

1996
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,679
not versed in a certain case

1997
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:55,600
i'm not going to make it my opinion no

1998
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,560
because i don't have one yeah it's kind

1999
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,000
of like you know it's kind of like most

2000
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,679
people though they don't want to say i

2001
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,520
don't know you know it's like you ever

2002
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:05,199
been to a doctor and they don't know

2003
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,560
what's wrong with you

2004
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,159
they'll just keep guessing they're not

2005
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,159
going to say oh yeah they're never going

2006
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:13,199
to say i don't know you know

2007
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,480
yeah you know and the other thing that

2008
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:15,760
happens is people that are interested in

2009
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:18,080
ufos they're afraid to ask questions

2010
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,120
uh

2011
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,880
when i grew up going to high school

2012
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,719
college here in texas said

2013
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:24,000
there's no such thing as a stupid

2014
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,679
question if you don't know

2015
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:27,280
the only way to find out is to ask

2016
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,480
questions

2017
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,320
but people in this community are

2018
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:32,159
they're very uncomfortable in meeting

2019
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,280
they don't know

2020
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,640
i don't know why i don't know that's

2021
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:36,719
human nature i don't know if that's a

2022
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,679
statement on society in general but

2023
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,520
we all need to know our stuff we all

2024
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,360
need to be able to look at it look at

2025
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,199
the information objectively and if we

2026
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:46,960
don't have the

2027
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,320
uh information at hand go find it

2028
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:52,080
and and then

2029
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,840
find out if it's the legitimate

2030
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,360
information um

2031
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,280
and if if it's not part of our field of

2032
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,440
expertise then seek out individuals that

2033
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,600
have that perspective i mean i can't

2034
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:04,239
imagine investigating a case that

2035
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:05,440
involves

2036
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,640
let's say

2037
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,199
high-level military documentation

2038
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:11,199
and putting out my point of view on it

2039
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,080
because

2040
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:14,239
one i'm not an expert in military

2041
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,679
documents

2042
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,920
i went to college as an engineer

2043
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,520
military documents is not my point of

2044
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,320
view that's not my expertise therefore

2045
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:25,040
i'm going to seek out somebody who knows

2046
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:26,159
that

2047
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,400
exactly what i do

2048
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,080
you know like you know if i don't know i

2049
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,400
got to find somebody that does you know

2050
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,080
like you know because they feel better

2051
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:40,159
peterson investigation and he's claiming

2052
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:41,360
that he worked for the russian

2053
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:44,880
equivalent of nasa and so that

2054
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:46,960
investigating that i go well i don't

2055
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:50,159
know anything about the russians went

2056
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,880
so

2057
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,880
it's funny i called the russian embassy

2058
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,960
and asked them if there was somebody

2059
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:57,600
that is you know knowledgeable about the

2060
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,480
russian

2061
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,800
space program in its history who could

2062
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,400
check this person's claims they got me

2063
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,320
in touch with a guy who was a world

2064
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,719
renowned expert on all the history of

2065
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:08,320
russia

2066
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,159
uh

2067
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,840
you know took a couple days to get back

2068
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,280
to me because he wanted to be sure but

2069
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,960
called me back and said this person has

2070
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,360
never ever worked for any russian space

2071
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,760
agency that i have found in any archive

2072
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:24,080
anywhere and we have documents going

2073
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:25,600
back you know

2074
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,600
60 years you know 70 years

2075
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,040
yeah that's what we need to do and

2076
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,960
though you also think there's like i

2077
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,480
also think that there's some kind of

2078
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:37,120
weird cult like group dynamic going on

2079
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,560
sometimes with some of this stuff and

2080
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:41,120
like nobody wants to stand up and say

2081
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:44,080
this guy is full of [\h__\h] and here's why

2082
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,600
and i kind of reached a point where like

2083
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:47,120
i'm not gonna be afraid to do that

2084
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,360
anymore like i'm not just gonna go

2085
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,440
around calling people [\h__\h] artists

2086
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,440
but if i have evidence and proof that

2087
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,040
proves that all their claims are

2088
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:57,600
fraudulent and fake then i'm gonna say

2089
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:01,760
that like and here's why you know yeah

2090
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,239
you know you have to otherwise

2091
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:06,719
the perception of the ufo community

2092
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:09,440
one is that we practice pseudoscience

2093
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:10,320
two

2094
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,520
is that

2095
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:14,000
we're populated by charlatans and liars

2096
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,840
and hoaxers

2097
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:18,719
and both those scenarios are true

2098
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,960
therefore

2099
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,719
individuals if we practice science if

2100
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:23,920
there are individuals that practice

2101
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:26,320
science they're not trying to hoax

2102
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,159
people they're telling the truth to have

2103
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,159
some level of integrity

2104
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,400
those people have to stand up and say

2105
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,560
you know this case is not legitimate

2106
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,400
this researcher is not practicing

2107
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,560
science this person is lying to the

2108
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:40,640
public this person whatever the case may

2109
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:43,600
be otherwise it's that kind of

2110
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,800
behavior

2111
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,320
hoaxing

2112
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,560
charlatanism if that's a term if that

2113
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,600
kind of scenario is is uh maintained in

2114
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,679
the ufo community it makes us all look

2115
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,280
bad

2116
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,440
and will never be taken seriously

2117
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,600
specifically by the by the uh

2118
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,440
scientific community

2119
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,360
um but until we start

2120
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,760
until we become objective and grounded

2121
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,920
and common sense and we we apply some

2122
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,400
level of critical thinking we won't be

2123
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,800
taken seriously i mean oh god critical

2124
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,520
thinking is not used at all

2125
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,840
when it comes to ufos except for set by

2126
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,960
a few

2127
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,360
individuals it really isn't and and

2128
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,040
those individuals don't make the news

2129
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:26,000
because they're not

2130
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,760
embracing everything yeah that's so

2131
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:30,000
sensational i heard a quote recently

2132
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,440
that i thought was really funny somebody

2133
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:33,840
said that the ufo community is filled

2134
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:36,640
with frauds fakes hoaxers and liars and

2135
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,390
yeah

2136
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,320
they may be a bit harsh but

2137
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,239
in a general way that can't they can

2138
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,000
that can be considered as true yeah

2139
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,840
there are a lot of hoaxers a lot a lot

2140
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:51,600
of trolls in this in this community

2141
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,960
there are a lot of

2142
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:54,080
um

2143
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,360
and i don't want to come off as being

2144
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,440
too negative there are some great people

2145
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,520
in this community

2146
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,120
i should say that so yeah there are some

2147
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,800
really really good people it's just that

2148
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,800
you have to you have to learn who those

2149
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,400
people are before you

2150
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:09,120
lend them your ears so much

2151
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:12,159
yeah and and as a general

2152
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:13,040
now

2153
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,320
we're both going to get emails about

2154
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:17,040
this chapter after this broadcast but in

2155
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,400
a general way

2156
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:20,320
the individuals you don't hear about on

2157
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,920
a consistent basis

2158
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,239
are the ones that are more grounded

2159
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,679
because they're not at every conference

2160
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,199
they're not at every

2161
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,520
podcast or every so

2162
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,800
they're not pushing their books they're

2163
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,880
not pushing the document documentary and

2164
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:35,040
i use that term very loosely

2165
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,880
they're doing their work quietly and

2166
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,400
they're objective and they have

2167
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:40,080
integrity and

2168
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,440
that's it

2169
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:43,120
but you don't hear about that very often

2170
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,719
yeah i also think that the people that

2171
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:46,239
are that grounded their stuff just

2172
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:47,840
doesn't sell as well it's not a

2173
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,640
sensational of the story no that's true

2174
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:53,360
yeah it's a little bit more cerebral to

2175
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:55,600
dig into all these documents and you

2176
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,480
know find actual evidence it's not so

2177
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,880
sensational some people are just

2178
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,280
it just strikes me as like bad science

2179
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:04,880
fiction stories people go to these

2180
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:06,400
conferences they listen to somebody tell

2181
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:08,239
this bad science fiction story they made

2182
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:10,480
up that they're presenting is factual

2183
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,790
i i can think of uh well let's see some

2184
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:18,000
names uh

2185
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:19,199
um

2186
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:21,040
i can't recall the last time i i saw

2187
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,320
kevin randall at a ufo conference

2188
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,880
no it wasn't very incredible

2189
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,560
yeah um

2190
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,880
i was thinking of uh

2191
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:32,880
robert powell who worked for years for

2192
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:36,400
mufon and now mufon has kind of gone

2193
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,480
become kind of a glorified cult he left

2194
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:42,800
you'll hear him they they bail they are

2195
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,679
not willing to be part of a

2196
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:47,760
organization like that um

2197
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:49,760
uh rich hoffman same thing they left

2198
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:52,640
when the situation became

2199
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,920
indefensible

2200
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:55,360
they left because they have a level of

2201
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:56,480
integrity

2202
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,199
uh jim clarkson same thing left

2203
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:01,440
uh erica luce she left

2204
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,480
uh and

2205
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,159
do i align myself with all those

2206
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:06,080
individuals no they have different

2207
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:07,199
different different points of view

2208
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,719
different positions

2209
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:10,239
but

2210
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:12,880
when you're part of an organization

2211
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,679
that has the issues that move on has

2212
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:17,600
uh if you stay in the organization on

2213
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,360
some level that's an endorsement of

2214
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,520
what's happening

2215
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:23,440
uh you're comfortable with what's going

2216
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:24,400
on

2217
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,040
uh if you have a high level of integrity

2218
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:29,040
and things are going on

2219
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,080
uh in that organization

2220
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,640
your integrity demands that you leave

2221
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,880
sure otherwise yeah that's the way it

2222
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:38,000
works

2223
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:39,360
but those individuals you don't hear

2224
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,719
from them very often because they're not

2225
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,480
selling a book they're not trying to

2226
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,000
glorify their they're not trying to

2227
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,840
further their own agenda

2228
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,440
because they have integrity

2229
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:49,199
and so there are lots of people like

2230
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:51,040
that in the community but the ones that

2231
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,199
make the news are the ones selling

2232
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,199
something

2233
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,840
yeah so

2234
01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:59,120
um

2235
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,159
yeah it's crazy and this perception that

2236
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:04,080
there's money in the ufo committee

2237
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,360
there's money to be made well yeah

2238
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,520
there's only there's money to be made i

2239
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:09,840
mean i was speaking at a conference it's

2240
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,440
paranormally it's a paranormal

2241
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:13,360
conference it's not ufo specific but

2242
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:14,640
it's happening here in san antonio in

2243
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,760
september

2244
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,800
and

2245
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:18,560
i made a point of telling the organize

2246
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:21,120
or the organizers now you realize i'm

2247
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:23,840
donating my time

2248
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,840
and they were willing to pay me for my

2249
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,679
time i said no

2250
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:30,159
no that is not going to happen

2251
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:34,320
because i do not i will not accept

2252
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:35,920
money for appearing in the ufo

2253
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:38,400
conference no i won't that's a personal

2254
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,360
choice

2255
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,600
but i do not want to give the illusion

2256
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,679
of having

2257
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,320
somehow lost my integrity or

2258
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:48,080
the illusion that while william pulling

2259
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,600
the period of that conference the

2260
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:51,360
motivation is money

2261
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:52,560
no

2262
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,400
like

2263
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,239
some of the some of the things is all

2264
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,920
about the money so that's a good way of

2265
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,600
putting things off like look i don't

2266
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,679
have any other motivation here i don't

2267
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,400
have an ulterior motive called money

2268
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:10,480
and yeah good for you for doing that you

2269
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,520
know

2270
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:13,199
it's funny there's

2271
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:14,400
right now there's three other speakers

2272
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,760
that are going to appear

2273
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:17,920
another which are ufo related they're

2274
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:20,719
all paranormal they're more paranormal

2275
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,880
uh there's the subject matter of their

2276
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,560
of their lectures will be more

2277
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,400
paranormally slanted

2278
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:28,320
and i can guarantee that

2279
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:30,800
uh my table will be the least busy at

2280
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:33,040
that conference

2281
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,709
people are going to go to the

2282
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,880
more exotic

2283
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:42,239
out there

2284
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:44,080
non-scientific

2285
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:47,760
subject matter uh i'm too grounded i'm

2286
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:48,880
too

2287
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,800
boring because i'm

2288
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,880
uh skeptical on some level

2289
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,719
so my table will not be very crowded at

2290
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,800
all yeah it's like i don't know if they

2291
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:58,719
had that when you were a kid but we had

2292
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:59,840
something like you know like the

2293
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,520
national enquirer of the world weekly

2294
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:03,040
news like you know

2295
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:04,960
it's got me pregnant and

2296
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,040
you know those sensational crazy stories

2297
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:09,040
and that's what people want it's it's

2298
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:10,159
what i call

2299
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:14,960
i call it like you won't give me up your

2300
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:17,440
guys entertainment here there's nothing

2301
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,600
there's nothing valid or good or you

2302
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:21,520
know there's nothing meaningful here

2303
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,679
there's nothing of value

2304
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,600
past yeah

2305
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:27,600
if there is it's surrounded by all this

2306
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:28,639
other stuff

2307
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:29,440
so

2308
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:30,320
uh

2309
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:32,000
yeah yeah you're right there you vote

2310
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:33,600
and that's yeah that's a that's a word

2311
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:35,040
that's thrown around a lot that's a

2312
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,560
horrible situation but that's that's

2313
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,840
where we're at

2314
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:39,760
a lot of this stuff is you voting it's

2315
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:42,320
it's an effort to sell books sell

2316
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:43,679
conference tickets

2317
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,880
and to to keep

2318
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,960
keep yourself in the limelight

2319
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:50,639
as opposed to

2320
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:53,280
legitimately looking for information on

2321
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:55,360
this problem and trying to find some

2322
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:56,639
answers

2323
01:22:02,870 --> 01:21:58,880
so it sounds people yeah infotainment

2324
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,149
you know

2325
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:06,320
well what is what the other thing i

2326
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:07,920
wanted to ask you is what is it that

2327
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:10,800
you've been up to recently and can you

2328
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:13,280
tell people about your facebook page and

2329
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,600
this that you started doing these new

2330
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,280
like commentaries can you tell my

2331
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,960
audience about that and where to find

2332
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:20,080
you

2333
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:21,840
oh yes

2334
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,199
well um

2335
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:27,120
yeah i appreciate that you're very kind

2336
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,000
um

2337
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:30,320
well you know after after my ill-advised

2338
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,600
uh attempts to do research

2339
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,520
to do field research with mufon and

2340
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,960
another group

2341
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,960
uh here in san antonio

2342
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,360
i established my own personal blog on

2343
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:44,000
february 4th it's called cleverly

2344
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:45,360
william poland

2345
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:46,560
it's where i

2346
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:48,320
basically vocalize my thoughts and

2347
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,679
opinions on

2348
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,760
everything ufo related whether it's a

2349
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,360
case or

2350
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:54,800
the community

2351
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,280
it's very subjective it's very personal

2352
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,199
you can find me there on that page or

2353
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:01,199
you can find my ufo interactive group

2354
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:02,480
which is called

2355
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,360
uh you for real and historical review

2356
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:07,360
that's an objective look at what's been

2357
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:08,800
reported

2358
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,360
uh i do not advocate any points of view

2359
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,440
or any positions in the group

2360
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:15,679
it's simply the data and i let them i'll

2361
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,960
let the members decide what they believe

2362
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,600
but that group is subject to

2363
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,280
seven or eight

2364
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,440
uh important rules

2365
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:27,440
that keep the group cordial and

2366
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:29,840
objective as opposed to the rest of

2367
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,480
social media which is pretty

2368
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,679
it's pretty much a free-for-all so yeah

2369
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,199
and i have to say that your group is

2370
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,840
very fair and that when people post

2371
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:41,520
as long as it's relevant to the group

2372
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:42,639
and uh

2373
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:45,440
and and you know then those posts are

2374
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:48,320
posted because i i was on some other ufo

2375
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:49,520
group that's like

2376
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,480
some kind of news network for ufos

2377
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,199
and i every time i would post there like

2378
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,760
my posts never made it through

2379
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,760
you know like the administrator or

2380
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,960
whoever

2381
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,560
you know page admin would just delete

2382
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:04,800
the post and i was posting up news

2383
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,520
articles i was posting links to my show

2384
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:09,199
then you come to find out that that

2385
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,320
whole group with like 60 000 members it

2386
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,199
was a con it was just a group for this

2387
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:17,920
person that has a podcast and his

2388
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,800
podcast is heavily promoted there but

2389
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:22,320
nobody else is allowed to post in there

2390
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,280
even though it's supposed to be about

2391
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:26,000
ufo news which is to me

2392
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,000
there's another there's another can of

2393
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,280
ufo [\h__\h] for you you know

2394
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:33,040
yeah it is i mean

2395
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:34,719
um i mean

2396
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,040
my in my you for real group there's only

2397
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,760
two admins myself and another young

2398
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,520
woman i just started working with

2399
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:44,080
so i keep i do all the posts but i

2400
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,440
encourage a lot of interaction and

2401
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:47,840
commentary on my blog

2402
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:51,120
is where i advertise for other

2403
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:52,960
like-minded individuals when i call

2404
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,520
people out it's much more open to

2405
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,480
individuals contributing there in a i

2406
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:01,440
guess a non-commentary way so but um

2407
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,639
yeah there's a lot of groups out there

2408
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:04,239
that just simply they clearly have an

2409
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,920
agenda and my girl has an agenda my

2410
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:07,280
agenda is

2411
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,920
look at this problem without without

2412
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:15,840
advocating my own personal

2413
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:17,920
beliefs in it i mean it's kind of like a

2414
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,719
journalistic standpoint approach is i'm

2415
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,480
going to put out the data i'm going to

2416
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,199
put out a summary of a case

2417
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,520
what i think of what i think the

2418
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:29,199
possible explanation

2419
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,239
has no part of that what i think is is

2420
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,800
not an issue i want the individuals the

2421
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:37,280
members to think about the data and come

2422
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:40,480
to their own conclusions about it um

2423
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:41,840
but yeah there's a lot there's a lot of

2424
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:44,000
bs out there where

2425
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,800
the

2426
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,520
groups and pages will

2427
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:48,880
try to

2428
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,320
advertise themselves as as whatever

2429
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,480
but in reality it's a different thing

2430
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,880
uh that happens a lot a lot

2431
01:26:02,390 --> 01:25:59,280
um i'm not i'm not a member of many ufo

2432
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:02,400
groups and the ones i i am a member of i

2433
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:03,199
never

2434
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:04,719
contribute really i'm too busy with my

2435
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:07,199
own stuff so um

2436
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,560
but the group of the page is pretty much

2437
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,880
what i do you know and now that i'm off

2438
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,480
in the summertime i'll be

2439
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,159
working more with that so

2440
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:16,560
if i'm not online posting or writing a

2441
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,760
blog

2442
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:19,920
uh posting um

2443
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,080
i'm reading a book or a paper or chasing

2444
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:24,080
a photo something so

2445
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,040
um

2446
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,040
if it's not ufos it's

2447
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:29,520
if i'm not working ufos i'm asleep

2448
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,360
so that's kind of my life now yeah

2449
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,520
you're definitely pretty into this stuff

2450
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,600
which is why i wouldn't have you on

2451
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,960
it's good to talk to somebody that

2452
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,280
actually does actual real research and

2453
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,880
has you know

2454
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:43,920
critical thinking skills

2455
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:46,960
that seems to be lacking you know

2456
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,470
you and i are both pretty grounded

2457
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:54,080
would we would we agree about every

2458
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:55,840
single case of course not

2459
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:57,679
but it's how we arrive there is what's

2460
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,440
important i mean

2461
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,920
you or i might have a different take on

2462
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,840
on a certain case or a certain

2463
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,280
researcher

2464
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:06,960
uh but it wouldn't be from having

2465
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,800
predisposed notions

2466
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,719
it would be through

2467
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,280
a somewhat objective look at the data

2468
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,840
or some uh doing our homework background

2469
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,600
checking our certain individual so we

2470
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,679
would have arrived our position the

2471
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,920
correct way unfortunately the ufo

2472
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:23,040
community

2473
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,080
individuals have their positions because

2474
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:27,840
someone they like

2475
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:30,239
had the same position or

2476
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,600
they read a book somewhere and they

2477
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,040
didn't bother checking the information

2478
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,600
on the book is valid or they saw this

2479
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:37,280
person at a conference and they liked

2480
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:39,120
them so i'm going to like that case too

2481
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,000
because

2482
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:42,719
stan freeman liked it or or

2483
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:45,360
corey good said this or whatever

2484
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,719
that's not the way to arrive at your

2485
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,800
position the way you arrive at your

2486
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:50,400
position is do your homework

2487
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,239
unfortunately that takes time and effort

2488
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,320
and people don't do that

2489
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:56,639
yeah yeah it's it's kind of funny too

2490
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:57,760
like

2491
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,159
stan freeman i had this pretty big huge

2492
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:02,719
argument with him about bob lazar once

2493
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,960
or twice uh like just personal

2494
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:06,239
conversations

2495
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,280
yeah on the phone and then as as i sort

2496
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,000
of entered my awakening phase and went

2497
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:13,920
you know i gotta look more into this you

2498
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,000
know i'd call him and apologize and say

2499
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:18,639
like and then he was really proud of the

2500
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,719
things that i found that no one else had

2501
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,080
found

2502
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,159
you know and then it's just like this

2503
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,320
guy pushed me in the right direction so

2504
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,239
sometimes that could be good liking and

2505
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:30,480
trusting a certain researcher like that

2506
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,280
guy's so educated you know who am i to

2507
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:35,280
tell him he's wrong you know

2508
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:37,040
he's been out there in the field for you

2509
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:37,840
know

2510
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:43,440
so i had i had to go and apologize and

2511
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:44,960
but like i said he was kind of like

2512
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:47,199
really proud that i did that and i

2513
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,800
showed him all the work that i did and i

2514
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:50,400
sent him stuff and emails and here's

2515
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,239
what i found and you know

2516
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,560
and he and he said uh yeah good now that

2517
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,120
you've looked into this and you know

2518
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,040
done some critical thinking and actual

2519
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:01,120
research you can draw a better

2520
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,639
conclusion

2521
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:04,639
but he didn't blame me for believing

2522
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:05,600
there's a lot of people it's that

2523
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:08,080
perspective you know i mean i i every

2524
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:09,440
every year i'll go to roswell i talked

2525
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,159
to don burleson who is a

2526
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,000
university trained mathematician now

2527
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,159
this is a guy who is

2528
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:18,960
he he's so highly educated i love his

2529
01:29:22,450 --> 01:29:21,600
his numerically evidence-based approach

2530
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:22,460
do you oppose

2531
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,679
[Music]

2532
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:26,159
he has a point of view that i need to i

2533
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:27,520
love to gravitate toward that and get

2534
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,199
his his take

2535
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,719
uh i spend a lot of time with don smith

2536
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:31,840
because don smith doesn't believe

2537
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:34,000
everything that comes down to pike

2538
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:35,120
um

2539
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,840
everyone seems to think he believes

2540
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:39,040
wholeheartedly roswell was an alien

2541
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,920
spacecraft he's only like at 75

2542
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,520
he's he's not

2543
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,280
fully convinced

2544
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:46,880
you know i i have a lot of respect for

2545
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,400
him because when this roswell slide

2546
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,719
thing came out a lot of people attacked

2547
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,400
him and uh

2548
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,480
you know for jumping on that bandwagon

2549
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:56,880
but his defense was look we had these

2550
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:58,239
experts

2551
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:00,320
and we you know we kind of like pay the

2552
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,960
experts look at this and they all came

2553
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:04,320
to

2554
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,679
bad conclusions and and then he

2555
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,120
to his credit

2556
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:11,840
said i was wrong i made a mistake on

2557
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,639
that and i fully admit and and i

2558
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:16,960
understand people are upset but here's

2559
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:18,880
why i came to those conclusions he

2560
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,440
didn't just double down you know he was

2561
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,520
willing to say i made a mistake as far

2562
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:24,960
as that goes yeah

2563
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:26,960
that that said he has a huge deal i mean

2564
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:28,560
uh peter robinson does the same thing

2565
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:30,080
kevin randle does the same thing they

2566
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:32,000
they they were able to admit that when

2567
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:34,080
they're wrong and reapply themselves to

2568
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:36,239
the research

2569
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,080
that doesn't happen very often

2570
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:40,880
not at all uh researchers and officers

2571
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:43,280
rarely if ever admit when they're wrong

2572
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:44,800
and the ones that do

2573
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:46,239
i immediately think okay this is a

2574
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:48,239
person with a high level of integrity

2575
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:50,159
that is willing to

2576
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:52,400
absorb the backlash and say you know i

2577
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:53,840
was just wrong

2578
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:55,600
it's time to move on it's time to

2579
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:57,920
reapply yeah that's exactly what don

2580
01:31:03,990 --> 01:30:59,600
smith did he just kind of yeah he does

2581
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,590
but i will say that when i heard about

2582
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,199
this roswell slide thing as soon as i

2583
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:09,040
heard that this jaime moussan was

2584
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:10,639
involved i said this is going to be a

2585
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:11,760
hoax

2586
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:12,800
yeah

2587
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,320
little aliens that turned out to be a

2588
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:18,800
spider monkey you know that he was

2589
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,760
pushing for years and years like

2590
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:23,360
you know yeah and now we have the

2591
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:25,280
roswell slides that he was pushing for

2592
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:26,880
years and years it turns out to be a

2593
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:29,199
hoax

2594
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:31,199
it's just kind of crazy that that guy

2595
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:32,159
can still

2596
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:35,440
run around and uh and make money

2597
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:37,440
he's got a big show in mexico

2598
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,199
still going on yeah

2599
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:41,520
so yeah it's it's not surprising there

2600
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:43,040
are people that will embrace that

2601
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,679
wholeheartedly

2602
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:47,600
and despite whatever evidence there is

2603
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:48,560
to

2604
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,480
debunk his claims

2605
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:52,800
their belief in him will

2606
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:56,480
be maintained that was all the time um

2607
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:58,960
yeah it's uh

2608
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:01,040
i try to gravitate and get the

2609
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:03,040
perspective of researchers that respect

2610
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:06,000
that are grounded and

2611
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:06,880
uh

2612
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,880
non-sensational they're they're

2613
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:10,719
scientifically they're they're

2614
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:12,560
they have a good level of integrity they

2615
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:14,000
they know what they're talking about

2616
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:15,120
they're willing to admit when they're

2617
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,040
wrong and move forward they're willing

2618
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:19,120
to change their mind as new evidence

2619
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:21,840
comes forth comes coming to the floor

2620
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:23,760
and are there many of those there's

2621
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:27,120
quite a few but you gotta find them

2622
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:28,480
but there's a lot of other ones that are

2623
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:30,800
just out there to make a buck or sell a

2624
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:35,669
claim to your researchers and they're

2625
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:36,960
not

2626
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,199
credentialed researchers and i don't

2627
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:43,360
mean you need to i don't need i don't

2628
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:45,440
mean to say you need a phd or a master's

2629
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:47,520
degree you don't but you have to have a

2630
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:51,040
level of integrity and experience

2631
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:54,239
and perspective to have a level uh to to

2632
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:57,280
have earned a level of respect

2633
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,159
so sure and i think we're all we're all

2634
01:33:04,709 --> 01:33:02,320
in that like you're only as good as your

2635
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:04,719
work like if your work is terrible

2636
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:06,159
you know your money you pretty much

2637
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:07,760
caught people with their pants down that

2638
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,159
didn't even make a couple of phone calls

2639
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,400
about a certain whistleblower before

2640
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,159
deciding that he was a top secret

2641
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:16,239
government insider whistleblower and

2642
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:17,760
he's going to give us this information

2643
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:19,760
you didn't even make a phone call to

2644
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:22,320
verify the guy's education before you

2645
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:24,239
ran with the story

2646
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:26,560
that like i just i couldn't believe it i

2647
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,600
couldn't believe it and i couldn't

2648
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,760
believe how easy it was to prove that

2649
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:31,679
the guy was a complete total fraud and a

2650
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:33,040
con man

2651
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:34,840
it's just crazy

2652
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,760
yeah and again here we go we're selling

2653
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:39,360
books we're selling

2654
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,440
gaia tv appearances we're selling

2655
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:43,040
ourselves at conferences talking about

2656
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:44,960
this fake whistleblower

2657
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:47,199
and uh there's never it just seems to me

2658
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:47,920
that

2659
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:51,520
because there's no consequences like no

2660
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:52,719
matter how many times some of these

2661
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:54,239
people get caught with their pants down

2662
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:56,000
they're still hired at the conferences i

2663
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:58,400
guess because they get numbers you know

2664
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,400
and that's true that's so reasonable

2665
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,880
that's like that's what it's about

2666
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:04,560
it is

2667
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:06,000
before

2668
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:10,560
years ago decades ago

2669
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:12,480
there's there's been this history of

2670
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:13,920
certain ufo cases that have been

2671
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:16,560
debunked and proven to be hoaxes and

2672
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:18,960
then the community kind of lets it go

2673
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:20,560
but then the rears just not going ahead

2674
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,719
again it comes up again a few decades

2675
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:24,159
later and then people have to spend time

2676
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,080
to look at again it happens all the time

2677
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:29,040
but now with the money issue

2678
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,480
it's the same thing

2679
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:32,400
uh no matter how much you try to debunk

2680
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:33,679
something

2681
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,600
or prove that this is not legitimate or

2682
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:37,199
this person is not

2683
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:38,880
who they say they are

2684
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,000
um

2685
01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:42,239
that that evidence that has debunked

2686
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:44,840
their claims or that case is not

2687
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,880
believed um

2688
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:48,719
is it's it's gotten worse now than

2689
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:54,310
my inbox is really filled up with a lot

2690
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:56,800
of uh cult like crazies they're calling

2691
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:59,040
me everything from like a c i hate

2692
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:01,760
information oh god

2693
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:02,719
you know

2694
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:06,560
i was put out there by the government to

2695
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:09,600
to uh to ruin this man's reputation

2696
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:11,600
because he's telling us

2697
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:12,880
yeah come on

2698
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:14,719
anybody that knows me knows me

2699
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:17,199
i am not a fan of the federal government

2700
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:23,990
well it's

2701
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,760
what happens is when someone has a

2702
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,199
different point of view

2703
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:29,440
if they

2704
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:30,320
if

2705
01:35:35,830 --> 01:35:34,480
gentlemanly discussion

2706
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:35,840
i can totally respect their point of

2707
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:38,560
view i may not agree

2708
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,639
but we can agree to disagree

2709
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:42,400
but when they when somebody has a

2710
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:43,679
different point of view or doesn't

2711
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:45,840
believe my take immediately goes to

2712
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:47,600
character assassination

2713
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:49,520
like okay well then there you have it

2714
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:55,510
yeah i don't know you know i don't

2715
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:57,119
really think that the

2716
01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,600
like i said if you have if you like stan

2717
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,920
freeman says have facts in hand before

2718
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:03,600
putting mouth in gear and that's what i

2719
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:04,719
try to do

2720
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:06,400
like all right i'm going to call this

2721
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,719
person a fraud but i've got an ample

2722
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:10,880
ample amount of evidence to prove what

2723
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:13,119
i'm saying and you can believe me or you

2724
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:15,520
can go on drinking the kool-aid

2725
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:17,600
and a lot of people

2726
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:19,199
a lot of people just choose to keep

2727
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:24,629
i've been thinking a lot about all the

2728
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,280
psychological aspects to all of this

2729
01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:28,960
because i just never really thought

2730
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:30,159
about it from a psychological

2731
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:31,920
perspective but yeah i've heard that

2732
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:34,320
term hopium thrown around and that's

2733
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,600
what these people are selling they're

2734
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,600
selling this opium like i hope that

2735
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,199
there's aliens i hope the government

2736
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:41,199
knows about it they're covering it up

2737
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:42,800
and if i just listen to this guy i get

2738
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:45,199
that little injection of that opium and

2739
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,679
i feel i feel better or you know i was

2740
01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:49,440
talking to another guest and i was

2741
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,280
saying that for me a lot of this stuff

2742
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:53,679
is like it's comforting to believe we're

2743
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,239
not alone it's like it's like a bedtime

2744
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,880
story it makes me feel comforted to know

2745
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,320
that maybe they're out there maybe they

2746
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,320
care about us maybe they're checking in

2747
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:04,560
on us maybe they had some hand in our

2748
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,280
creation it's very comforting so

2749
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:09,280
psychologically there's a lot of reasons

2750
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:10,560
why people are going to believe these

2751
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:13,040
lies and these frauds and these hoaxers

2752
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,960
i guess you just got to get to a point

2753
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:16,320
of awakening though where you're going

2754
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:17,440
to

2755
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,239
use your discernment i like that term

2756
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,400
actually i hate the term discernment

2757
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:24,560
because it's just an excuse by some show

2758
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:27,280
hosts and conference organizers that

2759
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:28,880
know these people are frauds and they

2760
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,600
say

2761
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,239
well use your discernment and you decide

2762
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,719
what to believe but we're gonna open

2763
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:36,480
we're gonna have open and free thought

2764
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:38,400
and let people speak

2765
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:39,280
if

2766
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:41,119
people have proven that they're frauds

2767
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:43,119
they shouldn't be allowed to speak but

2768
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,159
that's just my take

2769
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:48,560
i get that yeah

2770
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:50,320
might come to my discernment sounds like

2771
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,560
a bad german middle band it really does

2772
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,080
you know coming to read it or you

2773
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:56,400
discernment um

2774
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,119
no i yeah i i get you yeah there's

2775
01:38:03,109 --> 01:38:01,920
people are hoping to i i can't tell you

2776
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:03,119
the amount of people that have made a

2777
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:05,520
comment on my group not in a non-cordial

2778
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:07,440
way but they'll comment about a poll

2779
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:09,679
question i post about a certain case or

2780
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:12,000
uh what's the ultimate explanation for

2781
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:13,920
ufos or what have you and they'll say

2782
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:16,000
something like well i know what i saw i

2783
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:17,119
know what i saw i don't need an

2784
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:18,239
explanation

2785
01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:19,119
or

2786
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:20,960
well i believe this and i don't really

2787
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:23,360
know i don't even know the facts

2788
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,280
so they made up their mind

2789
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:26,880
about what they believed they made up

2790
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:28,320
their mind about what they saw they

2791
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,320
already have uh they've stopped thinking

2792
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:34,159
they made up their mind and that's it

2793
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:34,960
and

2794
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,080
that doesn't get us anywhere i mean

2795
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,560
not questioning everything doesn't get

2796
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,480
us anywhere we have to keep searching

2797
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,800
and keep learning none of us knows

2798
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,000
everything none of us knows all the

2799
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,920
answers none of us knows

2800
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:49,760
any of the answers we need to keep

2801
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:51,119
looking

2802
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:55,360
but but when individuals say well i know

2803
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,880
okay well that means they're not looking

2804
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:58,560
anymore they're not attempting to learn

2805
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,639
anymore they may have their mind and

2806
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:01,840
that's it

2807
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:02,880
well

2808
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,600
that that's not constructive at all

2809
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:07,199
but you have a lot of that when it comes

2810
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:09,360
to ufos and that's unfortunate

2811
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,960
that's that's when you get into the cult

2812
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:13,040
aspect of it that sounds like

2813
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,960
individuals following a religion well i

2814
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:17,280
am a belief i know

2815
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:19,199
without an eye order of proof

2816
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,400
uh they know

2817
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:23,600
they believe which is fun but

2818
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,719
again when you're trying to find

2819
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:27,119
objective answers whether they agree

2820
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:28,880
with our positions or not on a personal

2821
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:30,239
level

2822
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,000
people that know things and believe

2823
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:34,159
things that that's not proof that

2824
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:35,679
doesn't get us anywhere but that's

2825
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,840
rampant in the ufo community

2826
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,159
sure one of the other things i wanted to

2827
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,760
ask you about is

2828
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,440
if you believe that there are

2829
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,520
extraterrestrial visitors

2830
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:47,440
uh what

2831
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:51,280
evidence or or have you given thought to

2832
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:54,960
what is the propulsion system like and

2833
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:56,320
is there any

2834
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,679
evidentiary support for what it may be

2835
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:01,440
that they're using to get here from

2836
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:02,960
another star system because i've been

2837
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:05,920
thinking about that a great deal

2838
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:10,080
that's a good question um

2839
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,320
i i can

2840
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:14,239
we don't know what they use

2841
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,760
i would safely assume they don't use

2842
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,679
internal combustion engines no or

2843
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:18,960
rockets

2844
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,800
or fossil fuels

2845
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,040
that doesn't mean they wouldn't but

2846
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,719
likely they don't

2847
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,159
so

2848
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:28,000
um

2849
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:29,600
according to the physical laws that we

2850
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,840
know now and those are in flux because

2851
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:33,920
we our scientific knowledge increases

2852
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:36,400
the longer we're alive as a species

2853
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:38,239
as far as we know now there's no way to

2854
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:39,920
no way to defeat

2855
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,760
the seed of light

2856
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,840
therefore there is there neither needs

2857
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:45,360
to be

2858
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:47,199
and this is my own position there either

2859
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:47,920
is

2860
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:49,679
a physical laws we're not aware of or

2861
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:52,560
some or some way around that speed limit

2862
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:54,960
that they have figured out that we don't

2863
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:57,679
so they're able to defeat the distances

2864
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,880
to get here

2865
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,480
and that's and that statement is

2866
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:02,239
assuming they're extraterrestrial

2867
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:04,239
assuming that they're not coming from

2868
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:05,040
say

2869
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,040
another dimension or through a time

2870
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,199
portal or what have you it's actually

2871
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,280
coming physically for our own universe

2872
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,199
they would need to be able to defeat the

2873
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:15,199
speed limit of the speed of light how

2874
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:17,760
they would do that uh wormholes are

2875
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:19,119
discussed

2876
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,920
uh

2877
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,239
folding space is discussed

2878
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:24,320
um

2879
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:27,520
but how they would do it i have no

2880
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:30,239
idea um

2881
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:33,760
now what's reported during the ufo cases

2882
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:36,800
um electromagnetic electromagnetic

2883
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:39,280
effects are fairly common when

2884
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,400
our

2885
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,400
earthly technology

2886
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,040
comes into the proximity of ufo

2887
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:47,360
especially when you're in automobiles

2888
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:48,960
uh that seems to happen a lot that

2889
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:50,960
happened to happen in leveling level in

2890
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:54,400
texas cars would die and then start up

2891
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:55,840
interestingly enough

2892
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:57,679
yeah they yeah they would they would die

2893
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:00,400
off but in level and texas the car

2894
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:03,199
started up without any kind of

2895
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,400
uh

2896
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,560
effort from the people in the cars

2897
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,199
nor did like the car would die and the

2898
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,719
individual in the car wouldn't start the

2899
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:12,320
key again the car started on its own

2900
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:15,600
which is interesting in and of itself

2901
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:16,320
but

2902
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,239
what i find interesting is

2903
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:20,320
okay there are cases of

2904
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:22,320
aircraft military aircraft getting

2905
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:24,080
fairly close to the ufo

2906
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:25,440
and yet

2907
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,000
and and the ufo seems to affect the

2908
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:30,719
electronics of the aircraft i think i

2909
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:37,030
yeah but what's interesting is there's

2910
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:39,040
no case of a ufo

2911
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:42,080
knocking out the engines of an aircraft

2912
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:44,239
and if it knocks out the engines of

2913
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:47,199
an automobile and affects it that way i

2914
01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:48,320
wonder why i wouldn't have knocked up

2915
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,100
the engines of an aircraft

2916
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,239
[Music]

2917
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:53,920
i've always wondered about that

2918
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:56,480
but as far as how they travel or what

2919
01:43:02,550 --> 01:42:59,440
their motor propulsion i i have no idea

2920
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:02,560
which actually gets me out of grief

2921
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:05,280
in my own group um

2922
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:07,119
we were discussing my group the coral

2923
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:09,119
lending case because the anniversary

2924
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:12,560
passed on the uh on april 24th

2925
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:14,159
and i had a member saying well they

2926
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:16,960
don't use combustion engines

2927
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:20,239
and my statement my response was i tend

2928
01:43:22,830 --> 01:43:21,840
to agree with that but how did you

2929
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:22,840
arrive at your

2930
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:25,600
position because you

2931
01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:27,840
we can safely assume they don't use

2932
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,320
fossil fuels we can safely assume

2933
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:32,320
they don't use combustion engines

2934
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,960
but we don't know

2935
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:36,800
for sure we don't know

2936
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,520
we don't know with all capital k-n-o-w

2937
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,440
we don't know therefore

2938
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:43,440
we need to have we need to have arrived

2939
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:46,719
in that position or that belief somehow

2940
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:48,239
and i asked the individual how did they

2941
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,960
arrive at that position and he asked me

2942
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:52,320
is that a legitimate question mr

2943
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:54,239
paulinho said yes it is

2944
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:55,840
i just want to know i'm not being

2945
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,679
sarcastic at all i just want to know his

2946
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,440
thought process or i mean that was

2947
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,360
probably the way i was thinking

2948
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:03,920
i mean internal combustion engine is a

2949
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,119
pretty

2950
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,040
primitive way to travel

2951
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,360
even today nowadays we've we've been

2952
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:10,960
we've had

2953
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:13,040
technology that has been far in advance

2954
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,480
of internal investigative combustion

2955
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,639
engines for almost 100 years and yet

2956
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,040
we're not smart enough to start using it

2957
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:21,040
but um

2958
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:24,719
he didn't need a response so uh

2959
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,400
and again like like you mentioned

2960
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:29,360
earlier uh in the program uh alien

2961
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,320
technology to us may look like magic

2962
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,639
because it's so far in advance

2963
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:36,080
um

2964
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:37,360
i just don't think we could first

2965
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:40,159
engineer it so whatever they're using

2966
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:42,000
uh to us would look pretty bizarre it

2967
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:43,920
would be like us taking

2968
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,880
a vhs tape to say

2969
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:48,800
uh leonardo da vinci

2970
01:45:02,629 --> 01:44:51,199
and ask him to decipher it

2971
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,310
uh yeah i don't think so

2972
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:06,800
i agree yeah i mean you take it you take

2973
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,600
a vhs tape and people of a certain age

2974
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,119
wouldn't know what that is but you take

2975
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:13,199
a vhs tape back to davinci and ask him

2976
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,520
to decipher it well there are two things

2977
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:17,040
about the tape that he would need to

2978
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,560
know that he wouldn't know

2979
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:20,480
they're both invisible

2980
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,440
electron uh elect electricity magnetism

2981
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:25,119
he wouldn't be aware of those things

2982
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,960
so he would be all his

2983
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:29,040
the the knowledge he has at that point

2984
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,119
in human history

2985
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,880
is not far enough advanced for him to be

2986
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:34,719
able to decipher it

2987
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:36,159
and i think the same thing

2988
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:38,960
if we recovered any alien technology

2989
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,840
we at this point as a species

2990
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:43,440
have not advanced far enough to be able

2991
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,960
to decipher

2992
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:46,560
alien technology now we've been able to

2993
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:49,679
get we made it from this if we recovered

2994
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,280
a whole craft

2995
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,119
for the shape of the craft we may have

2996
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:55,199
gotten ideas for

2997
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:57,360
some of our advanced aircraft but that's

2998
01:46:01,109 --> 01:46:00,080
that's very speculative on my part

2999
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:01,119
but

3000
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:02,880
i i just don't think we're smart enough

3001
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:05,600
as a species or advanced enough yet

3002
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:07,440
to have deciphered

3003
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:09,520
alien technology uh it's kind of like

3004
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:11,920
what don smith said to me last year it's

3005
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:14,480
a it's a cover-up of ignorance whatever

3006
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,480
we were covered we're too ignorant to

3007
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:18,320
decipher it an ignorant may be a strong

3008
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:20,719
word but we're just not advanced enough

3009
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:24,080
with time we may be but we need time

3010
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,719
and we're not there yet uh but

3011
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,560
we might be wrong but i i think we're

3012
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:29,679
right

3013
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:32,239
in that respect

3014
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:34,639
yeah and and also i guess

3015
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:36,800
it's important to mention that

3016
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:39,440
there are stars in in our universe that

3017
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,920
are i don't know millions and millions

3018
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,920
of years older than our own

3019
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:45,920
so some of these species may be

3020
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,400
literally millions of years ahead of us

3021
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,639
technology wise and we

3022
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:52,960
i mean think about we we just entered

3023
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:55,760
the atomic age you know

3024
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:58,480
70 years ago or whatever like

3025
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:01,199
we just got nuclear technology

3026
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:02,960
so

3027
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,239
and and think about all the

3028
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:05,840
technological advancements we've had in

3029
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:09,040
the past i don't know say 200 years we

3030
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:10,320
went from horse and buggies to

3031
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:11,920
automobiles and

3032
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:13,760
the industrial revolution and then and

3033
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:15,520
then the digital age and that was all

3034
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,560
within 200 years like imagine a million

3035
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:20,400
years of technological

3036
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:22,960
evolution and what that would look like

3037
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:24,880
you know

3038
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:28,000
yeah i mean it's it's uh it's illogical

3039
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:31,679
to assume that every civilization is

3040
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:33,410
as old as us or as young as us

3041
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:34,480
[Music]

3042
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:35,520
it runs the gamut there are

3043
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:38,000
civilizations out there that may be much

3044
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:39,280
younger than we are

3045
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,679
at a very much lower level of technology

3046
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,520
they may be

3047
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,440
you know uh uh

3048
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:47,760
be uh maybe they may have technology

3049
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:50,480
that is older or less advanced than say

3050
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:51,840
the industrial revolution you're all

3051
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,440
apparently or might be in the they might

3052
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:55,440
be in the colonial or stone age as far

3053
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,760
as we know some civilizations

3054
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:59,280
and there may be civilizations that are

3055
01:48:02,709 --> 01:48:00,239
advanced

3056
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:02,719
10 000 years a million years a billion

3057
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:05,119
years i mean their stars may have

3058
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:06,880
already gone supernova but they have

3059
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,560
they may have been so advanced enough

3060
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,920
that they were able to vacate their

3061
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:10,880
planet

3062
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,520
and prevent extinction yeah maybe find a

3063
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,119
new one

3064
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:17,280
yeah so we just don't know we can

3065
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:19,520
speculate and assume

3066
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:20,239
and

3067
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:23,920
mean if if there are other other

3068
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:26,159
civilizations out there

3069
01:48:28,629 --> 01:48:27,760
uh because of the age of the universe

3070
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:28,639
because

3071
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:30,639
some stars are first generation stars

3072
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:32,080
and some we're not summer second and

3073
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:33,360
third

3074
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,800
we can safely assume that if

3075
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,480
civilizations have evolved on those

3076
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:38,239
stars or at least on planets around

3077
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:39,679
those stars

3078
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:40,719
they

3079
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:52,229
that doesn't prevent their extinction

3080
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:54,000
but it gives them the ability to

3081
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:55,760
possibly avoid

3082
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,280
going extinct because they can vacate

3083
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:59,520
their planet which means they can

3084
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:01,440
prolong their own existence which means

3085
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:04,400
their technology would keep advancing

3086
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,560
and if we saw their technology

3087
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:08,159
and we wouldn't be able to wrap our head

3088
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:09,600
around it

3089
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,800
it would be so advanced

3090
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,639
i think isaiah asimov said something

3091
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:16,159
like that that alien technology would

3092
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:18,080
look like magic to us the way our

3093
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:20,080
technology looks like to somebody who's

3094
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:21,119
say

3095
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:22,560
uh

3096
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:24,400
a native of the amazon rainforest

3097
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:29,990
absolutely

3098
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:32,639
yeah so and that's our own planet

3099
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,639
uh how would technology look to us

3100
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,960
that's a million years in advance that

3101
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:38,880
that evolved on

3102
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,360
another star system

3103
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,360
how would we have any perspective

3104
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,440
for that how would we be able to even

3105
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:46,960
attempt

3106
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:49,199
to reverse engineer that

3107
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:51,679
i i just look i don't think we could

3108
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,080
um i think the only way we would be able

3109
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:56,639
to do that is if

3110
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:57,760
we were

3111
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:01,360
visited by uh an alien race that was not

3112
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,629
uh but that's a very specific set of

3113
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:08,480
circumstances i don't know if that would

3114
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:11,520
be the case sure

3115
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,599
may be willing to teach us

3116
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:15,440
how their technology works

3117
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,119
sure yeah we would still leave behind

3118
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:19,280
the curve yeah let's say that we're like

3119
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:20,320
oh

3120
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:23,199
a 500 years ahead of us

3121
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,440
uh which wouldn't be that's still a good

3122
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,199
amount of time but

3123
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,520
a 500 years there may be some aspects of

3124
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:32,480
their technology we may be able to

3125
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:34,719
uh wrap our head around

3126
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:36,239
uh but

3127
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,960
do we know that no we don't i mean

3128
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:39,840
if

3129
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:43,599
we have but

3130
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,080
uh we have no idea what their level of

3131
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:48,639
technology is it may be far far far

3132
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:50,400
ahead of ours

3133
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:52,880
or not we don't know um

3134
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:54,639
but my gut tells me that we haven't we

3135
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,320
have an outward version near any of that

3136
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:58,800
stuff i just think it's too yeah i

3137
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,119
always totally agree with you

3138
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:03,040
well i want to thank you for taking the

3139
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,920
time to have a talk with me and be on

3140
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:07,679
the show you've given us a whole great

3141
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:10,719
deal of things to think about

3142
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:12,400
oh you are very welcome thanks for

3143
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:18,550
well my friends

3144
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:21,520
what an incredible interview

3145
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,719
and i've got

3146
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:24,719
a lot of new things to think about

3147
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:28,400
thanks to my friend william pullen

3148
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:30,639
he's a good researcher and he's got a

3149
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:32,159
good mind

3150
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:35,920
on these things and he keeps digging

3151
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,400
and i gotta respect him for that

3152
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:40,639
because i'm still here digging too

3153
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:43,199
and it's nice to check in

3154
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,800
with someone like him

3155
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:46,320
who is still

3156
01:51:51,270 --> 01:51:47,599
out there

3157
01:51:53,750 --> 01:51:51,280
in the field he actually goes places and

3158
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:53,760
investigates things

3159
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:56,719
that's an amazing thing

3160
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,000
and i think

3161
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:01,280
we need a whole lot more of that going

3162
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:02,400
on

3163
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,400
to get to the truth of these things

3164
01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:08,000
i've also been thinking that we need a

3165
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:10,719
whole lot more foyer requests

3166
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:12,880
and

3167
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:16,560
places like the black vault what a great

3168
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:18,239
place to go to

3169
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:21,119
if you're interested in these subjects

3170
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:22,960
to see

3171
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:24,960
in black and white

3172
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:26,960
documents and

3173
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:30,320
evidence and things that the government

3174
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,679
knows

3175
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,080
about this

3176
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,880
a lot of this stuff

3177
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:38,639
when you get to that

3178
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,320
evidentiary support

3179
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:45,119
as far as documents

3180
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:46,239
almost

3181
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:47,520
to me

3182
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:50,000
proves conclusively that the government

3183
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,040
knows

3184
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:53,599
a whole lot more

3185
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:56,800
about ufos and aliens

3186
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:00,560
and their possible visitations to earth

3187
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:03,360
then they are telling us

3188
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:06,400
and this my friends is an incredibly

3189
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:09,280
tantalizing thing

3190
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:12,880
what if it were true

3191
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:16,159
what if ufos are alien spacecraft not

3192
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:17,840
all ufos

3193
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:19,599
i like to uh

3194
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,760
steal from stan friedman

3195
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,800
you know some of them are weather

3196
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:25,599
balloons don't care about those

3197
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:28,639
some of them are

3198
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,199
drones don't care about those

3199
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:33,280
some of them are kites don't care about

3200
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:35,920
those some of those ufo sightings are

3201
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,480
the planet venus we don't care about

3202
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:40,080
that

3203
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:41,840
some of those sightings are

3204
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:43,520
misidentified

3205
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:46,000
aircraft like helicopters or airplanes

3206
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,119
or normal things don't care about that

3207
01:53:54,149 --> 01:53:51,520
no i care about the ones

3208
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:54,159
that maybe

3209
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,760
underline maybe

3210
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:57,360
50 times

3211
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,080
alien spacecraft

3212
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:02,320
those are the ones that i care about

3213
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,239
those are the ufos

3214
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:06,320
that i'm interested in i'm not

3215
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:11,189
things

3216
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:15,679
that are not alien spacecraft

3217
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:18,960
so now that we get the focus down

3218
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:21,440
i guess we can rule out

3219
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,480
90

3220
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:24,960
of ufo reports

3221
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:27,360
it's the other 10

3222
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:28,639
the

3223
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:32,000
strange cases that just may be

3224
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:36,880
that keep me interested and engaged and

3225
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:40,000
still digging into this stuff

3226
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,199
those are the ones i want to get to i

3227
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,920
want to get to those great

3228
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:47,440
reports

3229
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:50,400
with witnesses and documents maybe

3230
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:52,880
pictures maybe some video

3231
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:56,880
i want to get to the good stuff folks

3232
01:55:00,870 --> 01:54:59,840
but it's hard because

3233
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:00,880
it's

3234
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:06,560
through a landmine to get to those good

3235
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:08,000
cases

3236
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:10,960
and i think tonight maybe we cleared the

3237
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:13,760
land mine just a little bit

3238
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:18,639
and maybe i can go forward and look into

3239
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,080
cases that are worth listening to

3240
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:24,320
i hope i get to do that and i hope you

3241
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:26,639
come along with me for the ride

3242
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:28,239
thanks for joining us tonight old

3243
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:31,440
friends and welcome new friends from the

3244
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,800
fringe fm please join me next saturday

3245
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:36,960
night at midnight eastern standard time

3246
01:55:43,770 --> 01:55:39,599
for another edition of the midnight hour